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Pupule
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 Posted - 01/06/2005 : 08:26:05 AM
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Hi everyone,
It was brought to my attention today that ukester, who registered today, has been sending unsolicited emails to our members inviting them to a new `ukulele site. While I have no problem with people starting and promoting their web sites, I find SPAMMING our membership to be shady, underhanded, and plain wrong.
I locked this account and emailed this person explaining that I've temporarily locked his/her account because it is not cool to register for the sole pupose of emailing our members. I have not received a reply from this person but they have since reregistered as fried. I have also locked this account.
My sincerest apologies to any of you whose inboxes were "invaded" and I warn you about the integrity of this person. This is just not how an upstanding person acts. I am annoyed. 
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 08:54:51 AM
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Yeah, da Buggah got me, and probably everyone else, 'cause I rarely post in the `uke section. However, the SPAM email was posted through TP.net, as is usual, and he has my posting name, so he probably doesn't actually know our real email addresses. So, he has to be registered here in order to do it, I would guess. I just don't know how you can keep him from reregistering under some bogus alias. Can somebody just go visit him and kick his `okole?
I will probe him electronically and see what I can find out.
...Reid
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ohanabrown
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 08:56:47 AM
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Aloha, Andy
Well looks like i'm the first? Before reading this post i did receive an e-mail from "uketalk" inviting me to be apart of his new web-site not knowing what was happening, i went to visit the site. it looked a little complicated, but figured out later.
It's really close to taropatch format, i know in music they have this thing called, "copy right" are web-sites free for all???
After reading one post on that site, it felt uncomfortable so i left, and i knew then,there's know place like home. And "Taropatch" is "Home".
Me Ke Aloha
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ohanabrown
Lokahi
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 09:00:21 AM
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Sorry, Reid your the first! Andy, because your doing it the right way! all will be well!!!!
Malama Pono
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Pupule
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 09:12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Reid
However, the SPAM email was posted through TP.net, as is usual, and he has my posting name, so he probably doesn't actually know our real email addresses. So, he has to be registered here in order to do it, I would guess. I just don't know how you can keep him from reregistering under some bogus alias. Can somebody just go visit him and kick his `okole?
- This is correct. Your email address is protected and is never divulged to the sender unless you reply to this person.
- For now, I will manually approve new members and lock any accounts that this person creates.
- Kicking `okole? No public comment.
And FYI, I did eventually hear from ukester whose reply was not surprisingly irritating.quote:
Thanks Andy I appreciate it! Have a good holiday!
On Jan 6, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Andy wrote:
> Hello UkeSter
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> For now, I've locked your account at Taropatch.net. It's not cool to
> register just so you can send SPAM announcing your new website.
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 09:17:52 AM
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Yeah,
Just got back from snaking around. It doesn't look like anything dangerous, in the Net sense, just a pretty lame place. I viewed his source, too. Looks like the guy can't get anyone to post on his site because he was registered on it a long time ago, he only has 24 total registrants, there aren't many threads ,no thread is very long, and only a max of 7 have been on at the same time. He is cockaroaching for potential members. Just a minor annoyance, it seems, because some of his registrants actually post their real names (he has an avatar) and you can get to them via email. But that means a countermeasure could be a mailing to them about his behavior, after registering at his site in a bogus way, just as he did here.. Not that I would do that unless stuff gets more serious, but it is a threat to hold over his head to prevent him from reregistering here.
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 09:32:55 AM
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I haven't checked my home email to see if he sent me anything. But just to be clear, if you want to post a link to another site, even to your own website, can you post it as a forum message? What types of link posting (besides the obvious porn/cheap pharmaceuticals/nigerian letter stuff) is not acceptable?
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Pupule
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 09:49:38 AM
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Originally posted by hapakid
But just to be clear, if you want to post a link to another site, even to your own website, can you post it as a forum message? What types of link posting (besides the obvious porn/cheap pharmaceuticals/nigerian letter stuff) is not acceptable?
Good question. Basically it's, dare I say it, common sense.
The Share-A-Link forum is very broad. Since we started, the only posting that I edited (and basically removed) was one where someone registered and their only post was to tell our members to visit their musical store site. Obviously, that was a case of free advertising for a commercial site.
Announcing another forum is kind of borderline. I don't really have a problem with it. Maybe it's guilty of nothing more that bad taste or poor manners but even that will vary in opinion from person to person. This is a community. In the end the community decides collectively what is acceptable and what is not.
Also, being part of the community makes a difference. For example hapakid, if you posted 20 links, we're going to accept it because we know you and you're a part of this community. If someone registers today, posts their links and is never heard from again, ie. adds nothing here, then it's different, no? |
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UkeSter
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 06:44:38 AM
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Hey Everybody this is Ukester. I wanted to come back and apologize to the 20 or so people or e-mailed, as well as anyone else who was ticked. I really did not think anyone would have cared, but after getting Andy's reaction I can see that perspective.
In fact after I got Andy's e-mail I thanked him and went here to post a message saying sorry, but by the time I had a chance to think about what I should say the new account I made was locked down too. I never meant to get on anyone's nerves I just wanted to invite everyone to come hang out at a forum that was started up three days ago, but I realize now that I should have done it differently.
So anyway I'm sorry for the intrusion. No need to go on about kicking my "`okole", or warning people about my integrity, or "threating" me it was just a simple mistake, and I'm sure everyone here has made plently of mistakes in thier lives, and have plently more to make, as do I. I'll leave now and not return as it is quite obvious No one here likes me.
Peace,
Nick 
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cpatch
Ahonui
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 08:19:10 AM
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Originally posted by UkeSter
I'll leave now and not return as it is quite obvious No one here likes me.
No one here likes what you did. Big difference between that and not liking you. Come back and post an announcement for your forum in the links section and start contributing to the forums here. Learn from your mistake instead of running from it. |
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RJS
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 10:33:56 AM
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Like he's gonna have the coutersy to stay around and listen to our feedback - no have to question his integrity -- running away says it all. That's not even an apology as much as a statement of how little responsibility he had in the matter and a backhanded shot at our reaction.
(Notice - I'm pissed -- taking advantage of Andy's contribution and our good will just pisses me off -- I'm a very regular contributor here - and there have been times when I checked with Andy before posting something. Common courtesy and a sense that's I'm not the center of the universe. |
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UkeSter
Aloha
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 10:54:13 AM
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Originally posted by RJS
Like he's gonna have the coutersy to stay around and listen to our feedback - no have to question his integrity -- running away says it all. That's not even an apology as much as a statement of how little responsibility he had in the matter and a backhanded shot at our reaction.
(Notice - I'm pissed -- taking advantage of Andy's contribution and our good will just pisses me off -- I'm a very regular contributor here - and there have been times when I checked with Andy before posting something. Common courtesy and a sense that's I'm not the center of the universe.
I don't think I'm the center of the universe, and what I posted WAS and IS very clearly an apology. I'm fine with taking everyones feedback, and your suggestions are, and will be, taken into consideration. I'm not running away so much as taking a very clear vibe that I'm not welcome. I can understand if people were saying they did not like that I did, but there were more than one, and continue to be, comments about my morals, integrity,and so forth. That is not disagreeing with what I did, but more bashing myself as a person. Again I'm not going to say that I would blame any of you but it is, understandbly, a great reason for me to beleive I'm not welcome.
I have actually listened to what people have told me both on this forum and here in person, and I came humbly and posted an apology if you choose not to accept it then that is fine. It is your choice and no one can force you to do so, but my duty as far as this matter is concerned is done. I've done all I can to make it right, and if you would rather continue to bash me I don't think there will be anyone here to stop you including myself.
Once again I'm sorry. |
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 11:15:32 AM
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Well, I just noticed he left his URL behind - just in case, I guess - ever hopeful, ever slimy.
Well, I hope that's over with...
...Reid
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Time: 3 seconds later. Da buggah posted another obnoxious challenge just as I was typing above, so I guess it is NOT over with. And he lied about going away, too. Ho! |
Edited by - Reid on 01/07/2005 11:21:55 AM |
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Admin
Pupule
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 11:20:19 AM
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Ukester,
I appreciate you coming back and posting an apology. Perhaps the timing was bad but from my perspective... - After learning that you were emailing our members, I locked your account and emailed you.
- Without receiving a reply, I saw that you had registered a new user name. I locked that account too.
- Then I received an email from you that said, "Thanks Andy I appreciate it! Have a good holiday!"
Even now, I find your email to be an odd reply. Nevertheless, I don't plan to harbor bad feelings. I unlocked your account to give you the opportunity to apologize and, if you wish, hang around to disprove my first impression of you. I wish you the best with your forum. |
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UkeSter
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 11:27:55 AM
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Originally posted by Admin
Ukester,
I appreciate you coming back and posting an apology. Perhaps the timing was bad but from my perspective... - After learning that you were emailing our members, I locked your account and emailed you.
- Without receiving a reply, I saw that you had registered a new user name. I locked that account too.
- Then I received an email from you that said, "Thanks Andy I appreciate it! Have a good holiday!"
Even now, I find your email to be an odd reply. Nevertheless, I don't plan to harbor bad feelings. I unlocked your account to give you the opportunity to apologize and, if you wish, hang around to disprove my first impression of you. I wish you the best with your forum.
When I e-mailed you saying thanks I meant thanks for pointing that out to me, but I guess I should have gave a more in depth reply. The reply seems strange to me too now reflecting on it. I thought I replied before making the new account (just so I could apologize), but I'm not sure on the exact chronological order of it all.
I have not problem taking criticizim so long as it is constructive, and helpful rather than aimed just to tear down. I do think I have a lot to offer as I get to work with one of, in my opinions, the best uke makers in the world, and I may stick around and give everyone a chance to know me rather than just associating me with one stupid mistake.
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UkeSter
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 11:31:25 AM
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Originally posted by Reid
Well, I just noticed he left his URL behind - just in case, I guess - ever hopeful, ever slimy.
Well, I hope that's over with...
...Reid
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Time: 3 seconds later. Da buggah posted another obnoxious challenge just as I was typing above, so I guess it is NOT over with. And he lied about going away, too. Ho!
Not trying to challange you on anything dude. I just added mu URL to my signature as that is what I do with all my forum accounts. Nothing wrong with that I don't think but it obviously irritated you so I kindly removed it. I thought you would actually approve of it. I'm not lying about going away, but I thought it would be remiss of me if I did not actually respond to direct comments people posted to me. Again nothing wrong with that as I see it. Like I said above I would like to be known for something other than one stupid mistake, and I can understand it taking a while to get over it I would like to start working in that direction. |
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