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marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
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 Posted - 04/03/2007 : 09:28:25 AM
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hey andy - how do i enter kahako here? dang it, i can't even write "kahako" correctly.
mahalo,
keith
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Admin
Pupule
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 11:42:27 AM
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Good question. When Keola Donaghy posted recently, this topic came up, but I didn't have time to look into it. Apparently, it worked in the preview but not the actual post?
Here is my test simply copying and pasting from Word. kahakô
Here is the unicode that I think works in the preview but not post: #333; - kahak#333;
I'll look into this. |
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Sarah
`Olu`olu
571 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 04:46:42 AM
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| Keith, if you have a mac, you can type in an ümlaut. That's what a lot of folks do online, because the keyboards and/or coding frequently don't allow for a macron (I don't know anything about coding). So you can type "kahakö" by hitting Option+u, then the vowel you want. The ümlaut appears first, with nothing under it. If you have a pc, I can't help you. I haven't figured that out yet. :-) |
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marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
923 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 05:12:45 AM
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hi sarah! i am indeed macful. this works just like you said, thanks!
hi to reid,
keith
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mike2jb
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 05:45:29 AM
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PC people can get an umlaut by pressing Shift + Ctrl + the key with the colon on it, all three at the same time, then typing the vowel. It works in the preview, but I don’t know if it comes through in the post. Will try here:
Kahakö
That three-keys-at-a-time move is harder than some of my guitar chords, which leads me to my own personal rant of the day:
Why does a language with so few native letters need to mess with extra diacritical marks anyway? Why not just double the vowel if it’s long? Works fine in Dutch. And while they’re at it, why not scrap that pesky `okina and just employ one of the seldom-used “extra” letters on the keyboard? (I’d vote for “Q” myself.) No mistaking it for an apostrophe, no guessing how a name will be alphabetized, and foreigners would have absolutely no doubt there’s a consonant there.
Sorry to get on my soapbox. No one asked my opinion about kahakoo and qokina.
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Admin
Pupule
USA
4551 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 09:10:22 AM
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| There is a solution to this issue. I would like Taropatch.net to support unicode so that we can type words with a kahako. I just need to find the time to implement and test it. I tried last night but was unsuccessful. |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 09:36:44 AM
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Sorry to get on my soapbox. No one asked my opinion about kahakoo and qokina.
Everybody needs a good soapbox to stand on every so often!
You are right, since this was a recently fabricated written language in the first place wherein many things were simplified or left out entirely from the spoken language.
As you probably know, the okina replaces a "k" sound found in other polynesian languages, but sounded as a glottal stop in Hawaiian. For instance, in Tahiti "Hawai'i" is "Hava-iki". So a "K" would be better that a "Q" for non-speakers to try to pronounce.
But many other languages do not fit the English character set very well either, so shall we change the Cyrillic (russian) character set (for instance) to fit us as well?  Or the !kung language of the Kalahari Bushmen? (!ake !hat one on) 
So... Stretymsia Pod Stolom!! (and we can expound upon such things)
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 04/04/2007 09:44:55 AM |
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marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
923 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 10:55:49 AM
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hi lawrence,
mmh, good points.
on the sound substitution, the polynesian language in the cook islands does use "k" for the hawaiian 'okina (this is backwards from a linguistic point of view, but what the heck). but, in cook island maori, an 'okina is a hawaiian "h". so, the hawaiian prefix hi'i would be 'iki in cook island maori.
there are other changes too - eg, maika'i --> meitaki, and the name of the main island - rarotonga - is in hawaiian lalo kona (lower leeward).
anyway, pe'ea koe?
hi to julie,
keith
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Sarah
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 04:07:21 AM
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MIke,
Thanks for the PC tip. I'll have to try it next time I'm on a pc.
Mahalo!
-Sarah
p.s. Funny thing: I just tried the mac key equivalent, Shift-Command-colon, and it turned on the spell-check in my posting :-)
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