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noeau
Ha`aha`a

USA
1105 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2008 :  3:31:24 PM  Show Profile
Yo people go to the testing topic page and get some info about typing in the Hawaiian language with proper diacriticals liʻdat. With the Hawaiian keyboard in unicode and a font selected the Kahakō can be typed along with ʻOkina.

No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō.

Edited by - noeau on 03/06/2008 3:31:49 PM

Admin
Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2008 :  6:04:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
Noeau,

Interesting. I hadn't tested with different fonts. I think that I'm liking verdana. Doesn't it still work without choosing a font, though?

He haumāna au i kēia manawa. ʻO Kūlana koʻu inoa.

āēīōūʻ

Andy
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hawaiianmusiclover06
`Olu`olu

USA
562 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2008 :  4:19:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit hawaiianmusiclover06's Homepage  Send hawaiianmusiclover06 an AOL message  Click to see hawaiianmusiclover06's MSN Messenger address  Send hawaiianmusiclover06 a Yahoo! Message
I still haven't tested it out yet. But I will soon. Thanks for the information.

Alana :)

Aloha Kakou, maluhia a me aloha mau loa (Hello everyone, peace and love forever)
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keoladonaghy
Lokahi

257 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2008 :  5:53:06 PM  Show Profile
āēīōū ĀĒĪŌŪ ‘ ʻ

I didn't previously work, perhaps the database that is the back end to this forum has been updated. Unicode in older versions of MySQL (if that is the backend of this) used to be problematic. The Unicode characters didn't used to work in here.

RE: fonts, it varies depending on your browser and OS. The only fonts that I've found that have the vowel-kahakō and ‘okina in the right Unicode locations on both Mac and Win are Palatino, Times New Roman, Helvetica and Courier. Arial on Win usually has them, as does Lucida Sans Unicode. On Mac, Lucida Grande. Most contemporary browsers will substitute a font that does have the character. If you use Verdana on PC on Windows, the Mac will show the characters with Lucida Grande. For people with older versions of Windows you'll sometimes see a square box. Nice to see it is working here.

For those of you who don't have Mac and its built in Hawaiian keyboard there is a Windows Unicode keyboard available for download from our college's website:

http://www.olelo.hawaii.edu/enehana/winkbd.php

Edited by - keoladonaghy on 03/07/2008 5:54:49 PM
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Admin
Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 03/10/2008 :  05:13:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by keoladonaghy

The Unicode characters didn't used to work in here.
Keola,

It took me a while to get this, but it wasn't difficult. I needed to set the forum to support codepage=65001 and charset="utf-8".
quote:
Originally posted by keoladonaghy

For people with older versions of Windows you'll sometimes see a square box.
My PC and Mac at home display Hawaiian fonts correctly. My PC at work had trouble rendering the ʻokina until I upgraded to Internet Explorer 7.0 (from 6.0). 6.0 had the square box problem that you described.

Andy
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noeau
Ha`aha`a

USA
1105 Posts

Posted - 03/11/2008 :  8:32:07 PM  Show Profile
ā,ē,ī,ō,ū ʻĀ,Ē,Ī.Ō.Ū,ʻ with Arial selected. without the font selected it look like this ā,ē,ī,ō,ū ʻ Ā,Ē, Ī, Ō,Ū ʻ
maybe because I am using firefox on a mac. oh yeah when you select the font then you gott type inside the brackets where the space is between the two weird things that identify the font.

No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō.

Edited by - noeau on 03/11/2008 8:35:02 PM
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a

USA
1493 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2008 :  09:37:57 AM  Show Profile
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) no font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Andale Mono font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font)Arial font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Arial Black font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Book Antiqua font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Century Gothic font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Comic Sans MS font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Courier New font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Georgia font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Impact font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Lucida Console font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Script MT Bold font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Stencil font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Tahoma font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Times New Roman font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Trebuchet MS font code
ĀĒĪŌŪāēīūʻ (unicode) ÄËÏÖÜäëïüÿ (HI Font) Verdana font code

E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima.
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Admin
Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 03/12/2008 :  09:56:45 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
Maikaʻi. My PC displays all the fonts correctly, including no font code.

BTW, I am referring to unicode only. Taropatch.net is set up to allow unicode, not HI Fonts.

Andy
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keoladonaghy
Lokahi

257 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2008 :  2:36:39 PM  Show Profile
All of the lines appear on my Mac (OS X 10.5), however, there is a lot of font substitution happening. Most of the Sans serifs are displaying as either Helvetica or Lucida Grande, most of the servics as (I think) Palatino. Hard to tell with just the vowels, the letter "P" is usually the giveaway. Courier appears OK. Comic Sans is replaced by Zapf Chauncery.

As I mentioned previously, most current browsers will compensate and substitute a Hawaiian unicode character from a font that does have it if you specify a font that does not support it on that platform. For folks on older OS and browsers, it's hit and miss. Some will just display a square block, but fortunately they are becoming fewer.
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