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wcerto
Ahonui
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 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 09:36:02 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifptrv4kzAM
This film not only provides a bit of history, I believe it can stimulate some discussion. Please, after you watch the film, I would love to see a pono discussion on the same questions that Peter answered.
Are conditions the same now? Better for the music or worse? Why? Please be honest and open, yet respectful.
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Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
Edited by - wcerto on 04/21/2009 09:36:46 AM |
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GUke
Lokahi
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 2:24:09 PM
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Because of the internet, conditions for Hawaiian music and its growth are better. The internet has provided a new source for people to follow Hawaiian music. Thereʻs this forum and other ukulele forum -- and a resurgence in ukulele, in addition to slack key and hula (Merrie Monarch continues on). Thereʻs You Tube, live-streaming of events. You can download Hawaiian music too. If you seek it you can find it. And you can go as deep as you want. Find live events, kanikapila, and workshops. Thereʻs even a category (for better or worse) in the Grammies for Hawaiian music.
Traditional Hawaiian music in its pure form can be found. And those seeking it have an easier opportunity to find it. And with the next generation of Hawaiian performers including those artists and scholars who strive to keep the original alive, traditional Hawaiian music will always be around. If you look at other ethnic cultural arts like Greek dancing, or Flamenco they are still alive.
If you are fortunate to live in a megapolis like the SF Bay Area, its easier to participate and attend events to nurture your love of this music. Those living in the sticks may have a more challenging job for live participation. Again the internet can be a great source to find out whatʻs happening.
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 3:19:10 PM
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Some of the things that Peter Moon mentioned like the "Dilution" of Hawaiian music refering to Ho'aikane & Bruddah Waltah as newer artist back in '86 (Both are still going BTW) And also how the University of Hawaii freshmen weren't familiar with The Makaha Sons & Gabby perked my interest.It's actually worse now because there are so many Jawaiian entertainers nowadays and that's what the younger generation relate better to.The state of Hawaiian music is healthy for those of us who already like/love it but it's not reaching enough "New young island listeners" because of Jawaiian influence.Thanks to hula Hawaiian music will probably be around forever.Slack key on the other hand.........
Zack once made a pretty deep observation to me. He said "Unko hula get da Merrie Monarch,Hawaiian music get da Kamehameha Song conest but slack key no mo' nuttin' das y I like chrai do sumtin fo' help perpetuate ki ho'alu" Just goes to show that this young man is a smart feller & not a fart smeller Nah nah nah |
Hoof Hearted?...Was it you Stu Pedaso? |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 3:30:46 PM
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The remark about not knowing who Gabby is really surprised me. When we were over there with you guys last May, just about every cab driver, tour leader, waitress, store clerk, airlines customer rep, etc., said Gabby was their unko, "fo realz, Auntie." Even the tutu lady we met when the tita kicked us outta the shelter house at the beach knew Gabby personally and was related. He sure got around, and some of those tour guides were relatively young (at least younger than me, hehe).
But you know what -- when we come Hawai`i, we talk about music, especially slack key to anyone and everyone. I figured let people know we are there to enjoy the music and to let them know it is an important part of paying honor to the islands. We also make sure we speak to the musicians who work so hard entertaining the people, many of whom aren't even paying attention to them. I want them to know that I for one appreciate them sharing their talent with us and I thank them for it.
But I bet young kids over here would not know who is Roy Acuff or Bill Monroe or Maybelle Carter. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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P.M. JR.
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 3:33:48 PM
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| Mahalo for finding and sharing this with us Aunty Wanda. It's a very small/watered down dose of his views on the Hawaiian Music Scene.. (I'm guessing that's why there's numerous sections edited out) lol.. |
Peter W.K. Moon |
Edited by - P.M. JR. on 04/21/2009 3:34:47 PM |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 3:42:20 PM
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| Eh Peter no shame fill in the blanks. Does the editted interveiw version still accurately depict your father's opinion? And is that UH Kanikapila still going? |
Hoof Hearted?...Was it you Stu Pedaso? |
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P.M. JR.
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 04/21/2009 : 4:00:11 PM
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What I could say in regards "Filling in the blanks" is perhaps better suited for a face to face conversation... 
My Dad is a very intense person mentally and intellectually.. The edited version is accurate to his thoughts but it's not as easy to grasp his way of thinking full scope with what was presented... if you know what I mean...
The UH Kanikapila is not still going... to the best of my knowledge anyway.. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 12:05:49 AM
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It would be swell to revive such a tradition. Only thing is funding, funding, funding. All kinds of costs involved nowadays that probably no one was concerned about back in the day -- security, insurance...and is the place complianat with Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), potential need for first-aid facilties, etc., etc., etc. All that kind of stuff takes money, not even to consider paying the performers. Cananot expect the artists to perform gratis.
If I were rich, by dangie, I'd come over there and do it!
And I would ask PM, Jr. to open and close the show.
Is that Kanikapila where the "Hawaiian Rainbow" film was made, the one of the Ho`opi`i Bros. and Aunty Genoa guyz and Uncle Raymond Kane? |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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Auntie Maria
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 09:06:52 AM
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Yes, Wanda -- "Hawaiian Rainbow" captured some wonderful footage of the music/musicians who performed at those concerts.
There are still concerts at UH-Manoa (you've posted some of the youtube footage of them, I think), but manini compared to the Kanikapila ones.
And I love PM, Jr's comment that sections were "edited out". His dad always spoke his mind!  |
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slackkey808
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 09:18:28 AM
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| The thing about where he said that the kids didn't know who Gabby was isn't as surprising now as it was back then, to me at least. I remember in one of my college classes, we had an icebreaker that required us to say who we'd like to meet. I said Gabby Pahinui, Sonny Chillingworth etc. Nobody knew who I was talking about except the teacher, except maybe Alyssa, I think Uncle Duke knows her. But it wasn't really so much of a shock to me as much as it was a disappointment. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2009 : 12:15:28 PM
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Eh Zack - Is Alyssa Terry's `ukulele student? If so, she is really talented!
You know, that Kanikapila traditiona at the university reminds me of the Folk Festival held at Kent State University It began about the same time, as well, Joan Baez, viet Nam, burning of the ROTC building, the National Guard shootings. For years, you gots some amazing stuff going on there such as Doc Watson, Joan Baez and plenty "ethnic" or "world music" and workshops, too, not just concerts. But that has fizzled out, too. Lack of interest on the part of those who vote on funding, because it means nothing to them. I am not even sure that anything is done about May 4th at the Kent campus any longer. It is 39 years this year(yikes, now I know why my bones ache). The student body now probably says "Viet Nam, shooting, Nixon, get over it."
I would just think that maybe, just maybe, if the music is present, some kids will check it out just to experience it, just to see what it is. After all, doesn't the school teach slack key? You don't see that at any colleges around here. There must be some type of demand for it or the school wouldn't have slack key or `ukulele classes or "Hawaiiana" stuff.
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Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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