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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/19/2011 : 1:50:17 PM
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How would you feel if a record company took a recording of yours and edited it to make it longer and in doing so made it appear as though you sang the WRONG words. Also, what is the copyright implications regarding the writer and publisher where the song is deliberately altered in its format and meaning by an audio editor?
I ask this because I've just spent a few hours examining an album that HAS been edited to make the songs longer and increase the total running time, for no other reason that I can see than deceiving the buyer into thinking the album is better value. In fact it's BAD value as the songs are bastardised in such a way as to destroy the story and meaning.
This MUST have been edited without the Artist's permission and also the writer/publishers.. I shall take them to task and ask for an explanation. Had it been my father or mother singing on this/these album(s) I would have sought an injunction, so I wondered if the relevant artists and relatives are aware of this ?
Proof positive ? YES: Here:-
Just 3 examples will suffice (For the moment)
1. Beyond the Reef "Kalani Kilimaka"
2. Honolulu "Palani Vaughan"
3. To you Sweetheart Aloha "Haunani Kahalewai"
Check the screenshots of these and some other tracks, and notice the highlighted, then extend it by the same again, see the similarity? That's because its a "Copy/Paste" function by some over zealous technician?
There lots of similar instances in THIS particular series of CD releases of earlier recordings.
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 09/19/2011 : 11:27:09 PM
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So far I've found the editing on THESE albums
Hawaii's Greatest Hits Vol 2
Track 1. I Am Hawai`i Copied 0.30 to 2:33
Track 3. On the Beach at Waikiki First 1:38 copied to 1:38
Track 6. Song of the Islands Copied first 8 bars and inserted
Track 8. Drifting and Dreaming First 24 bars copied to bar 25
Track 12. My Isle of Golden Dreams Bars 5 to 36 copied to bar 37
Music from the Land of Aloha
Track 4. Ports of Paradise
Boyce Rodrigues & Nina Keali`iwahamana
Bars 5-28 copied to bar 29
Track 8. My Isle of Golden Dreams
Nina Keali`iwahamana
Verse 2 edited out, destroying the lyrics.
Blue Hawaii Hawaii Calls - CDHCS-924A
Track 3. Hukilau
Alfred Apaka
Bars 7-47 copied to bar 48
Track 6. Beyond the Reef copied first verse and chorus
Kalani Kinimaka
copied first verse and chorus
Track 8. Hawai`i Calls
Pua Almeida
Bars 5 -20 copied to bar 21
Track 9. Honolulu
Palani Vaughan
Bars 5-28 copied to bar 29 destroying the lyrics?
Track 13. To You Sweetheart, Aloha
Haunani Kahalewai
Bars 5-20 copied to bar 21 Lyrics again confused
To You Sweetheart, Aloha - Words & Music by Harry Owens
To you sweetheart, aloha
Aloha from the bottom of my heart
Keep the smile on your lips
Brush the tears from your eyes
One more aloha
And it's time for goodbye
To you sweetheart, aloha
In dreams I'll be with you dear tonight
And I'll pray for the day
When we two will meet again
Until then sweetheart, aloha
Source: Sweet Leilani by Harry Owens - March of 1955, the composer made his first trip to the South Pacific. Stopping at Suva, Fiji, he addressed a large group from Australia and played some of his compositions. His rendition of "Sweet Leilani" was greeted with indifference. Expecting no response to the next song, he was overwhelmed when someone insisted he play it as a march. With loud stomping of feet and rhythmic hand clapping, the entire group marched around the room in military formation. "To You, Sweetheart, Aloha" was a standard classic marching song for the troops from Down Under and almost as popular as "Waltzing Matilda". Copyright Royal Music Publisher, 447 Ilimanu Street, Kailua, HI. 96734
Hawaii Calls - Words & Music by Harry Owens
Hawai`i calls, with a melody of love, dear
Across the sea as evening falls
The surf is booming on the sand at Waikîkî tonight
And how I wish that you were
Strolling hand in hand with me tonight
Hawai`i calls, with a message of aloha
To you sweetheart where 'er you are
Reminding you to dream awhile
Of happy days we knew
Hawai`i calls and my heart's calling too
Source: Copyright Don McDiarmid, Jr. - Composed as the theme song for Hawai`i Calls, the short wave radio program introduced October 14, 1935
I Fell In Love With Honolulu - Donald Neil McKay
I fell in love with Honolulu
When I saw a girl with flowers in her hair
When she gave me her aloha smile
I was glad that I could stay awhile
I fell in love with Honolulu
When we walked together on Waikiki sand
Watched the flowing sunset hand in hand
Felt the tradewinds caress
Bridge:
And though I went away
My heart stayed on
Will she be waiting for me
Will she be gone
I'm going back to Honolulu
To the island girl with flowers in her hair
If she`s waiting I will hold her close and never stray
From Honolulu, in Hawai`i nei
;Source: Recorded by Palani Vaughn
Here are the edit points where the lyrics are completely messed up (Not The Performers fault, they sang it correctly)
1. Honolulu
2. Hawaii Calls
3. To You Sweetheart Aloha
The editing that was done is "Sample Accurate," so one can presume it wasn't done on the ORIGINAL 1/4" masters.
I'd like to hear some recordings taken from the vinyl versions of these tracks. |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 09/20/2011 12:33:13 AM |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
1511 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2011 : 06:34:09 AM
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| Nice work, Bas! |
keaka |
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 09/20/2011 : 07:32:42 AM
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Yes - Good sleuthing Basil, but repeating a section right after itself must have been pretty obvious on first hearing, no? But then again, some folks like to sing each verse twice, especially on certain songs.
I am currently in a situation where I have had to out entire verses or choruses because the song(s) were too long (over eight minutes in some cases). It is kind of funny to see someone doing the opposite. I guess the old TOP-40 rule of no song longer than 3:30 must really not be a concern anymore, eh?
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Mahope Kākou...
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 09/20/2011 : 11:58:39 PM
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One reason is possibly that the tracks were extended so that record collectors seeing the different time lengths would presume that they were different takes to the ones already in their personal collection.
BTW how do I set up e-mail notifications of replies to topics/forums etc ? (Can't seem to find the right 'flickin' switch) |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 09/20/2011 11:59:59 PM |
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 09/21/2011 : 08:10:13 AM
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Personally, I wouldn't deal with any recording company that would have me as an artist!
Unko Paul |
"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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Admin
Pupule
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2011 : 10:35:39 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Basil Henriques
BTW how do I set up e-mail notifications of replies to topics/forums etc ? (Can't seem to find the right 'flickin' switch)
We used to have "subscriptions" in the early days of Taropatch.net, but it seemed to really slow down our server. Since then, that function has been turned off. Sorry Basil. |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2011 : 7:23:01 PM
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| Basil, can you tell us which record labels these tweaked recordings are from? |
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
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Posted - 09/22/2011 : 04:17:14 AM
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Basil, are these recordings out of copyright? ASCAP, BMI or Harry Fox, et. al.? Or are they public domain? Or is there anyway to tell?
Since the advent of "sampling" and DRM controversies, piracy, all kinds of music has been bowdlerized.
The relevant artists may have no recourse at all. And there is always the problem of fighting people or organizations with deeper pockets than yours. But keep up the good fight and let us know how they can, at least, receive bad press or embarrassment. Although they may be shameless :-( and believe that any press is good press).
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2014 : 12:49:47 AM
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Originally posted by Retro
Basil, can you tell us which record labels these tweaked recordings are from?
Oh yes hularecords.com |
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