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salmonella
Lokahi

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Posted - 07/21/2014 :  05:34:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I need to do so. I have a small Boss click metronome but can't seem to get the timing like it makes sense tome. Especially with an Alberti bass piece, something just doesn't fit in my head.
Does anyone else practice with a metronome?
What kind do you use?
What rhythm settings do you find helpful?

Dave

thumbstruck
Ahonui

USA
2169 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  03:53:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My Dad always said to practice slowly. The best metronome is to play with at least one other. They'll let you know if your timing is ragged.
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salmonella
Lokahi

240 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  05:48:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting. One of my reasons for practicing with a metronome was to be more able to play with others. Maybe I need to re think this. Although finding someone locally to practice Hawaiian music with maybe a challenge right now.
One correction tony request above. I used the incorrect reference for the bass pattern that confuses me. Instead of Alberti, I meant what Peter refers to in his book as "Latin bass". I sometimes think of it as Big Island bass. Anyway, the three bass notes in a 4 beat measure mess with my head when there is a two tone click going on.
Dave
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Admin
Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  07:17:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I have been consistently told to practice with a metronome. I need to do it more myself. Keep at it. It will be helpful to your playing both solo and with other people.

Here is your latin bass. Count it out loud while listening to the downbeats of your metronome. Once you "get it," it'll be easy.

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +

Andy
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu

546 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2014 :  10:19:36 AM  Show Profile  Visit Peter Medeiros's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nice Andy,
you can also break it down into eight counts

Andyʻs Example 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +

Peterʻs Example 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
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thumbstruck
Ahonui

USA
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Posted - 07/22/2014 :  5:33:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eh! Same pattern as the thumb for a forward roll in Scruggs picking on a 5-string banjo! Basically describing a tango.
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salmonella
Lokahi

240 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2014 :  7:35:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks everyone. I was able, after some brain rearrangement, to sync with the 4 be at rhythm of the metronome. I don't keep time to
It very well (oh my, how hard is it going to be to reteach my fingers that turn around?) but at least I can hear that now.
Dave
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu

USA
504 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2014 :  05:18:52 AM  Show Profile  Visit Russell Letson's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This isn't advice but a data point: Despite lots of urging to use a metronome for practice, I've never been able to find anything useful in doing so. I find its clack distracting and its pulse not helpful. My time is not perfect, but it's good enough to have backed my various playing partners for a lot of years. (And when I start to speed up, I have nearly-perfect guys who will let me know.)

I respect my teachers who have made the recommendation, but it is clearly not universally applicable. I trust my internal sense of time and my foot.
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Admin
Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2014 :  09:39:05 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Great to see you still around Russell!

BTW, another practice tool that some accomplished musicians have shared with me is to record yourself. One, it was suggested that it is a helpful way to practice because it provides broader perspective/feedback of what your playing sounds like... that is, it is difficult to listen yourself while you're playing. Second, some record to a click track because it can help your timing and groove.

Andy
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Retro
Ahonui

USA
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Posted - 07/24/2014 :  3:10:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Retro's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you are planning to record your music, and have others play on the tracks at a different session, I STRONGLY recommend learning to play with a metronomic click-track. The other musicians later on will greatly appreciate it, as it will save them time.
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