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Mark
Ha`aha`a

USA
1628 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2010 :  08:53:03 AM  Show Profile  Visit Mark's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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But be honest: How often do you hit with C# when you didn't mean to?


About as often as I hit the C natural when I don't mean to.

As with my lead guitar playing, about half of my 16th note ornaments are just trying to correct a clam before the bandleader throws me the hairy eyeball.

Can't wait to hear what you come up with, Bill.
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a

USA
1511 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2010 :  10:09:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I picked up a 10 string Rickenbacher a few months back, thinking until it was too late that it was an 8 string. It dates from 1940. I have been wondering what to do with it, and Bill's posts have given me an idea: I'll turn it into a C version of the B11, with a C13 on top and D7 on the bottom! Kinda like A6 on top and B7 on the bottom, with the Bb thrown in on the 8th string. I'm in Tucson right now visiting family, getting tan, seeing local sites and basking the damp out of my bod, but I'll try something this weekend and report back. If it works, I'll probably take that to HI instead of my double 8 Stringmaster for portability reasons. My 2 favorite pickups are the Stringmaster and real Ricks.

keaka
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a

USA
1055 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2010 :  4:43:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"...the hairy eyeball."
That's almost like "stink-eye," ain't it?
Unko Paul

"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello
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Adam Troy
Akahai

Australia
58 Posts

Posted - 04/11/2010 :  12:19:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If anyone out there is trying to learn the violin effect, I have realized one of its subtleties. Where the melody under the effect is, say, two or three notes, there is a tendency to bring the volume up with each "bow" as the attack decays. Therefore it is advisable to have a visual mark on the volume knob that the player can quickly reference to cut back down to the original setting. Otherwise one risks accidental blasts of volume after the "violin" section is completed, thus ruining the performance.I am sure this is obvious to the initiated.
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a

USA
1511 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2010 :  07:25:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, yes it is! Also, you shouldn't start at zero volume, just low enough to get the "wa" effect. You should always roughly know where your volume knob is set, anyway, and not go above that.

keaka
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Volcano
Akahai

USA
89 Posts

Posted - 04/12/2010 :  09:57:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone ever use an E-Bow with compression and some creamy distortion? This really sounds like a violin, expecially with skillful use of a volume pedal
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a

USA
1511 Posts

Posted - 04/14/2010 :  08:45:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Volcano

Anyone ever use an E-Bow with compression and some creamy distortion? This really sounds like a violin, expecially with skillful use of a volume pedal


Gawd! An e-bow! I wonder where I stashed mine. I used it on my pedal steel back in the late 70's. I was playing in a band called Cowboy Fever, and I used it in conjuntion with a DynaComp and a flanger - spacey, eh?. Then I joined a band with a fiddler, and I quit using it. Since she was my wife, I listened when she told me that one fiddle was enough. I still used the flanger on my keyboard, and the e-bow went into the closet.

keaka
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Konabob
`Olu`olu

USA
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Posted - 04/14/2010 :  10:48:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit Konabob's Homepage  Send Konabob an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I can't remember who showed it to me, but a steel guy showed me a kid's battery powered car (about 2.5 inches long). He had wrapped a string around the powered wheel, and rozened the heck out of it. He would switch on the wheels and hold it against his high string... amazing!

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Volcano
Akahai

USA
89 Posts

Posted - 04/14/2010 :  11:55:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now there's an original idea. Very cool.
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Mark
Ha`aha`a

USA
1628 Posts

Posted - 04/14/2010 :  12:09:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mark's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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I can't remember who showed it to me, but a steel guy showed me a kid's battery powered car (about 2.5 inches long). He had wrapped a string around the powered wheel, and rozened the heck out of it. He would switch on the wheels and hold it against his high string... amazing!


And thereby re-inventing the hurdy gurdy!

That is so weird as to be wonderful.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a

USA
1105 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2010 :  08:26:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Everyone has different techniques. Very interesting. Jerry taught me to turn the volume full blast then set the amp. For wah wah or violin effect he would use the tone control.

No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō.
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu

USA
580 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2010 :  09:00:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit hwnmusiclives's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by slipry1

quote:
Originally posted by Volcano

Anyone ever use an E-Bow with compression and some creamy distortion? This really sounds like a violin, expecially with skillful use of a volume pedal


Gawd! An e-bow! I wonder where I stashed mine. I used it on my pedal steel back in the late 70's. I was playing in a band called Cowboy Fever, and I used it in conjuntion with a DynaComp and a flanger - spacey, eh?. Then I joined a band with a fiddler, and I quit using it. Since she was my wife, I listened when she told me that one fiddle was enough. I still used the flanger on my keyboard, and the e-bow went into the closet.

And the award for Best Use Of e-Bow EVER In A Hawaiian Recording goes to... [drum roll, please]

...Jules Ah See for "Kahuli Aku" on the Mahi Beamer album "Hawai'i's Own Mahi Beamer."

It haunts my dreams.


Join me for the history of Hawaiian music and its musicians at Ho`olohe Hou at www.hoolohehou.org.
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a

USA
1055 Posts

Posted - 04/15/2010 :  5:05:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You sure that's not just dietary problems haunting your dreams? Like maybe Hoof-Hearted?
Unko Paul

"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a

USA
1511 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2010 :  08:23:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by noeau

Everyone has different techniques. Very interesting. Jerry taught me to turn the volume full blast then set the amp. For wah wah or violin effect he would use the tone control.


Eh, Al! Good advice. Only problem is when I use my Boss Fender Deluxe Reverb Pedal as a direct box, then full volume overdrives it. Instead, I max out the volume on the Pedal. btw, in conversation long ago with Ralph Mooney (played on early Buck Owens records, then was with Waylon Jennings, the inventor of "West Coast Steel" (Sneaky Pete, Tom Brumley, J. D. Maness, Barbara Mandrell, etc.), wrote "Crazy Arms", etc.), I sked him what he played to get his sound. He said he played a Fender Twin Reverb. When I asked him about how he got his sound from that, he said "set all the knobs to 10 and use the volume pedal to control the output". Easier said than done, my friends.

keaka
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Volcano
Akahai

USA
89 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2010 :  09:55:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's what I used to do with a Vibrolux and a Telecaster when I played country music in Nashville in the 70s. It worked great as long as the amp was in good shape. I did used to have to carry extra speakers on the road though.
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