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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
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 Posted - 11/18/2004 : 05:20:46 AM
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Sorry foks, the official word from Ozzie is "no". As I mentioned in my previous post, he is uncomfortable with unpolished material like this circulating around. His permission for me to make copies was limited to a few people here that couldn't make the workshop.
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Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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chunky monkey
Ha`aha`a
USA
1022 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2004 : 06:08:59 AM
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Sorry I got your hopes up about the Ozzie CD. I understand his position. I wish the circumstances could support Ozzie producing more instructional stuff. Despite the shortcomings, I got valuable info from the CD. Just getting to see how Ozzie plays some of this is worth the price of admission. I hope that Ozzie recognizes how much we, the TP community, value anything that he does. For many of us who can't orchestrate trips to the music camps, these materials are great substitutes. Thanks, Craig for checking on this.
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Admin
Pupule
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 06:14:08 AM
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Originally posted by cpatch
Sorry foks, the official word from Ozzie is "no".
Thank you all out there in Taropatch land for:
1) Desiring all this learning material
2) Honoring the wishes of those who so generously teach us
That combination of enthusiasm and respect allows this place to practically run itself. Mahalo nui. |
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OHIO-HAOLE
Akahai
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 04:48:15 AM
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 I concur Andy!...Anyone hear more yet on when to possibly expect a second Ozzie book?......Ken. |
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MahinaM
Lokahi
USA
389 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2004 : 06:08:52 AM
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A big thanks to YOU Andy for facilitating all that happens here on Taropatch! Also, I would like to thank the entire Taropatch ohana for generously sharing your knowledge, advice, music, wit and humor, and above all, your aloha spirit, as well as being some of the most helpful people in the world to answer many of my questions about whatever stumps me at any given moment. I have learned so much, met new friends, experienced new horizons, and taken my passion of slack key and uke playing to a whole new level, as a result of everyone here and the wonderful teachers that offer their talents through workshops and whatever intstructional materials that are available out there. Mahalo nui to everyone for making this the best site ever!
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OHIO-HAOLE
Akahai
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2004 : 01:10:23 AM
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| Again...all taro patchers who know inside scoops..any word on a second book release from Ozzie?...mahalo...Ken. |
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Auntie Nancy
`Olu`olu
USA
593 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2005 : 06:58:30 AM
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Aloha,
Me again, resurrecting a thread.....
I am still at the practicing stage, but am playing Kani ki ho'Alu and Manuela Boy with the CD and may have it soon. My mentors down south have helped me understand how badly I need to be able to do this smoothely. Of course my other problem is that I don't stay focused. And I can't remember stuff very well.....
But I'll bet other new folks out there like slack key Mike will have a nice selection of songs. Doug too, knows a great many nahenahe tunes.
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Karl Monetti
`Olu`olu
USA
756 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 11:00:34 AM
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Auntie Nancy,
We are all at still at the practicing stage, my dear. That never ends. Congrats on getting your first few tunes under your belt. As far as "Smooth" goes, i find it helps most if you can first get off the page; know how the song goes, know the formations for your fingers, and stop looking at the music. Once yo can hear it in your head, try as often as possible to play without the music. Keep it there as a reference, to see yo are getting it "right", whatever that is, but just play what you hear in your mind. And, don't forget, if you happenn to tape yourself and notice that your rendition has a note or two added or left out from the "original", well, that's OK, too. It is just the way YOU play that song; it does not need to be note-for-note.
Of course, you first must be able to hear the song. I know my wife cannot do that, and several friends of mine who are really good on their instruments cannot either; they need the music in front of them at all times. But i think if yo listen to the cds often enough, you will be able to remember the songs, and, as you play the first few notes, then next few will come automatically into your head. I don;t know where you are in your level of play, but if you canno tdo that with a whole song, youmight just try a passage or two; several bars at a time, learn to play them, then string the bunch together to make the whole song.
Keeping time with a foot, or a faint metronome in the background may act as a help as well to keep things moving a long at a smooth pace. Another thing i find helpful is to play thru a song as fast as i possibly can, caring not for mistakes. Just go as fast as possible. Do that twice and go back and play at regular speed ad see what happens to your technique.
And, I cannot reccomend the book, Zen Guitar, too highly. I have been playing since i was 13, am now 61, and have learned more from that book since February than in all the years before about what i am doing when i have that wood oin my hands; why I play, how I practice, where and when i practice, finding an iner strength and peace about my level of play, learning to show and teach others as well as learn form them. In making you more aware of what it is you are trying to do, it has helped me play better, and therefore enjoy my playing more than ever.
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Karl
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RJS
Ha`aha`a
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Posted - 03/24/2005 : 4:00:52 PM
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| You can play smoothly from notes/TAB also -- you first have to know how to play the song and -- important -- you have to have some of your attention a bit ahead of where you're playing. It's as if your mind has to start sending out signals for what your fingers should do a bit before they actually have to do it. Typically, when I'm using notation for a piece I know, I'm more paying attention to 1) the overall contour or direction of the music, 2) "hot" spots where I typically forget or screw up. Usually I'm looking at a chunck of about 2 - 4 measures, not just the notes I'm playing at that instant. The older I get, the more I think that good playing is first and foremost a mental activity. |
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Karl Monetti
`Olu`olu
USA
756 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 8:29:11 PM
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Raymond,
That is exactly what i found from reading Zen Guitar. It helped my mental picture of me, of my instrument, my life, my fingers, my playing; my awareness of what it was I was doing. And, as you well know, that extends far beyond the guitar into all aspects of your life. I cannot thank my son enough for his gift.
A word about such gifts is in order, however. Ten years ago i went through a divorce as my mom was dying on 4000 miles away. I needed a helper at the clinic and a young vet, the only person in the area I would have wanted to ask to work for me, decided to quit his position and asked me to hire him. Perfect timing. One of the first things I noticed when he moved in was the book, Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, by Stephen Covey. I fingered thru it one day and came to the instant conclusion, just another self help book for the gullible. I asked Mark about it; he felt it was changing his life. Well, that stuff aint't for me, says I.
Two years later I joined a freind in a network marketing company for a short time. One of the books they recommended reading was 7 Habits. I was impressed with the contents of several other of their suggested books, including Rich Dad, Poor Dad, that i decided to give it a shot. Guess what? I was finally ready for it, for everything i had passed of as poppy-cock before made perfect sense now. The most important thing i got from that company was the goading to read that (and others)book. It has helped me grow in so many ways, and continues to influence my life and help me with life decisions.
My son, Jethro, gave me Zen Guitar at the right time; he had heard me whining about poor playing, not feeling i was doing anything right with the guitar, even after all these years of playing with it. To him it may have been just a convenient gift, and, although I know he could use the advice in it as much or more than I, I also know he is not ready for that gift. He is still in the know-it-all stage (21, in college, rarely communicsates with this information-starved parent) and probably would not read it. He leafed thru my copy of 7 Habits last summer and i thought he might actually follow thru and read it all; he was quite taken by the first few chapters. But, he was not ready yet.
So, although I can recommend Zen Guitar, not everyone will get out of it as much as i did. Or, you might get more, depending on your 'readiness' for the teacher in the book. |
Karl
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Auntie Nancy
`Olu`olu
USA
593 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2005 : 9:47:34 PM
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Thanks very much you guys for the position of the mind in all this. I do believe I'll look for Zen Guitar. It sounds like The Inner Game of Skiing that moved me up several notches in the old USSA comp days. slkho has nailed me - I do not have any patience - so discipline must rule... I have so many songs on my wanna learn list and most aren't even on anyone else's repertoire lists...
Mahalo!!
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Karl Monetti
`Olu`olu
USA
756 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 08:29:51 AM
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Nancy,
What are those songs?
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slkho
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 03/25/2005 : 08:46:55 AM
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Nancy-Nancy-Nancy...have you forgotton the mantra?
Practice, practice, practice, and when your done, practice some more. As I mentioned to you before, (and earler today) get the fingerings down, the speed will come. I don't agree a new song should played quickly through. Craig's (cpatch) great advice to me was to play it slow, you'll get quicker as you go, its so true. Also, practice with a goal in mind, (i.e. 2-4 measures at-a-time, a page, etc...) practice with tangible results in mind, not just blind repititon. In addtion, ALWAYS WORK ON THE FUNDAMENTALS, chords, chord progressions, picking patterns, those are your bread & butter when your "focus" goes south.
On a sidebar, Stephen Covey's 7 Habits are great!, I carry his seminar worksheets in my planner everyday. Never hurts to continually "sharpen the saw" and set your "compass".
... now off you go, go practice Pua.
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Auntie Nancy
`Olu`olu
USA
593 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2005 : 3:27:51 PM
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Hi Karl,
The one song that's been running through my head since I heard it at a wedding at the old Hawai'ian church down in Makena is Maile's Song that's Keali'i Reichel's. the 2 others I love from the '70s I think I'll have less trouble with - Maui Chimes (Herb Ohta?) and Salomila.
I also really like Honoli'i that 'Ikaika does - I imagine Kevin can teach me that - actually, when I have more skills, I think I'll be able to put that one and Kalo Man together so I can play them. I also really like Iz's version of White Sandy Beach And then the list goes On and On... mostly Keali'i's and Keola Beamer's. I like the gentle sounds like old ballads/folk songs.
I'd better just learn the stuff in the books first..... Aiyai!!
n
Hope you come visit soon!!
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RJS
Ha`aha`a
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Posted - 03/25/2005 : 5:43:08 PM
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Nancy,
Inner Game of Music isn't bad, either -- especially if you liked "Tennis" |
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