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Puna
Lokahi
USA
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 Posted - 01/07/2005 : 1:51:53 PM
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Aloha e, Bwop.
Mahalo for your reply. I checked a few other resources (including Kaliko's on-line material). You're right, I'm wrong.
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Sarah
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 03:38:57 AM
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Aloha mai e Puna,
Ka po'e is what you might call a plural noun. It refers to a group. Na po'e would refer to more than one group. It's a lot like "people" vs. "peoples" in English. So when you say na po'e, you are talking about various peoples, like... various American Indian tribes, or various nationalities.
Ka po'e can be used in a way we don't generally use "people" in English. For instance, ka po'e keiki is a way to express the concept of children as a group or class. There is also a story about Maui's attempts to obtain fire from some very clever 'alae birds who knew the secret, and the said group of birds is referred to at one point as ka po'e manu.
Oops. I just saw you'd found your answer - sorry.
aloha,
Sarah
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Julie H
Ha`aha`a
USA
1206 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2005 : 8:33:32 PM
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Gaaaah! I better pop Kaliko's Hawaiian language CD's into my Cd player, I need to keep up with this olele stuff!
As for the Aunties and Uncles, I grew up in a Dutch contingency on the island of Java, and we were a somewhat select and therefore isolated population of Dutch citizens, and the use of Auntie and Uncle allowed the children to use someone's first name, as in Auntie Della, which was a lot more personal than Mrs. Swart, and it was inclusive. We knew the adult's first name, but in that strict culture, we would never be allowed to use it except for the familiar "Auntie" or "Uncle". We did know, however, that we were somehow related, whether by blood or by culture. In an increasingly hostile environment, this was very important to us children.
I really enjoy the use of these endearing and respectful terms.
Julie
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Bwop
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 01/08/2005 : 9:13:39 PM
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Aloha,
E kala mai, e Puna, I didn't mean to sound terse. And bless you, Sarah, for your comprehensive and to da point reply.
So, Julie, why is it that in the culture I was straddled with growing up, you had to really hurt somebody before you made them cry "Uncle!". |
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slackkeymike
Lokahi
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 6:29:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sarah
Aloha e Mike,
... Even if you are saying, "People", you say, "E ka po'e". It doesn't apply to pronouns, though, except in a particular instance I won't get into here.
So that's why you see me writing "Aloha e SoandSo" all the time 
aloha.
Sarah
Sarah,
Mahelo, and I have paused here several times, perhaps I should leave "inuendo" alone...but I just cannot!! BTW, just heard about a new book (NPR.org) called "Inuendo and out the Other"...got to find it and buy it!!
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2005 : 8:59:21 PM
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Several years ago, I once called one of my Hawaiian aunties by her first name without using "auntie". She told my grandma and my mom and it eventually got back to me that I should never do that again. Ever.
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Auntie Nancy
`Olu`olu
USA
593 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2005 : 11:20:50 PM
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aloha e Jesse,
By the way, thanks for the workshop hype - can't wait!
But did you did you find out why no use anme? Without thinking, that is what we do, but with each other - same generation, we use each other's names... and way more auntie than uncle. I didn't grow up with the custom, but it's been with me about 2/3 my life.
By the way, in the Philipines, they also use the translations of auntie and uncle about the same as in Hawai'i, so that is something that came with them around the turn of the 20th century.
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
1533 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 10:11:50 AM
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I think if an island auntie is more than 15-20 years older than yourself, it's rude to call that person by just her first name, whether related or not and no matter what your age is. It's similar on the mainland where we tend to use Mrs. or ma'am when speaking with older women. I just figured since I was 35 years old, I could call an elder by the first name only. Oooooops. I think it becomes even more important if you don't know the person or know her well. It demonstrates respect.
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Auntie Nancy
`Olu`olu
USA
593 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 12:30:40 PM
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Aloha e Jesse -
Did you maybe mean without using auntie?
That makes my confusion go away...
thanks -
auntie nancy
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
1533 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2005 : 3:31:40 PM
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E kala mai! Yes, Auntie, you're right. I mistyped! I fixed it in case others read this thread and wonder if I'm feeble.
My online time is often late at night, after the kids are in bed. I just hope I don't make too many more mistakes....
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Auntie Nancy
`Olu`olu
USA
593 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2005 : 07:10:32 AM
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| You're gonna make mistakes in life Jesse. It's what you do to fix them that counts the most. My hapa kid is grown, gone and married and I'm retired; still have many opportunities for mistakes. And I think part of aloha is that we are gentle in holding ourselves and others accountable. |
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Karl Monetti
`Olu`olu
USA
756 Posts |
Posted - 01/13/2005 : 4:00:48 PM
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Well, as usual, my question has been answered fully! You guys are great! Of course, my question was asked in another topic just yesterday, but yours are the replies I was hoping to hear.
Auntie Nancy, I like what you write:) |
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