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Keone
Akahai

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Posted - 03/16/2005 :  08:21:33 AM  Show Profile
Hello all,

I'm new to taropatch and wow what a great community. I had a question that I knew someone here could answer.

I recently saw Led for the first time (he was amazing and blazing) and he had this interesting metal lever on his low string that he would push and it would change from a D to a C in a snap. I had never seen anything like that before and I thought it was cool. I was wondering if any one you might have some insight. Thanks.

Keone

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Pupule

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Posted - 03/16/2005 :  09:30:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
Played with a bassist that had one of those. Usually drops the note a whole step. Is it like this thing?



http://www.hipshotproducts.com/guitarxtender.htm

Andy
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Keone
Akahai

50 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2005 :  09:38:01 AM  Show Profile
Andy,

Thanks for the reply and the link. This looks exactly like what Led had going on.

Mahalo.

Keone
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Admin
Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2005 :  09:54:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
Cool, I had no idea Led used that. Thanks for posting and welcome to the 'patch!

Andy
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Larry Goldstein
Lokahi

267 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2005 :  12:44:13 PM  Show Profile
Banjo players have used a similar device for years to increase the bending of notes. Generally they are known as "Keith" tuners, named after great banjo player Bill Keith. Two tuners are the standard.

Keep on pickin' (whether w/ picks or not)

Larry
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu

USA
1533 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2005 :  2:18:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit hapakid's Homepage
During a camp jam on Maui last summer, all the taropatch campers would groan when the song leader would announce the key for the song was "F" because all the G-tuned guitars would all have to capo up to the 10th fret. After another song in F was introduced and we were all fumbling with capos, Led reached up and flipped the hipshot, then grinned and said "F!"
Everyone laughed, but I think he tunes to Taropatch G, then flips uses the hipshot to go to drop C, then uses his incredible skill to play in whatever key comes along. I'm sure he could play in Eb minor in any tuning.
Jesse Tinsley
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Reid
Ha`aha`a

Andorra
1526 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2005 :  3:04:28 PM  Show Profile
E Jesse,

No question that Led can do what Led can do. But... It is easy, even for us who can not play nuthin', to play in C/G (actually, for certain songs, C/G sounds bettter than a straight C) or D/D (Sarah's latest composition, modulated to G) in TP. If we have a C tuning going on, F is simple (1 flat). Both Sarah and I have these "cross tunings" (Howard Emerson's description) going on in our arrangements. Of course, Sarah's fingers do better than mine (everything she does is mo'bettah)...

Try play...

...Reid
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Mainkaukau
Lokahi

USA
245 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2005 :  09:49:07 AM  Show Profile  Visit Mainkaukau's Homepage
I think this is a very interesting product and plan on checking it out. Problem is, how am I going to fit 6 of these things on my guitar? .
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Admin
Pupule

USA
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Posted - 03/20/2005 :  10:00:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mainkaukau

I think this is a very interesting product and plan on checking it out. Problem is, how am I going to fit 6 of these things on my guitar? .

Why limit to 6? Add a 7th string too!

Andy
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu

USA
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Posted - 03/20/2005 :  7:37:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit hapakid's Homepage
I remember Led having to adjust the tuning a little, usually during the beginning of the next song, after each flip of the hipshot. It rarely landed on exactly the right note.
Sometimes I think he would flip it just to test himself.
Jesse Tinsley
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Konabob
`Olu`olu

USA
928 Posts

Posted - 03/24/2005 :  7:49:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Konabob's Homepage  Send Konabob an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by Mainkaukau

I think this is a very interesting product and plan on checking it out. Problem is, how am I going to fit 6 of these things on my guitar? .



Steel guitar guys love these things. http://www.hipshotproducts.com/trilogy.htm
It gives you well over 100 different tunings by pushing buttons.

Aloha,
-Konabob

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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a

USA
1579 Posts

Posted - 03/24/2005 :  10:35:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit Fran Guidry's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Mainkaukau

I think this is a very interesting product and plan on checking it out. Problem is, how am I going to fit 6 of these things on my guitar? .



Here's a pic of one of Adrian Legg's guitars, fitted with at least 5 and maybe 6 Scruggs tuners. These are geared banjo pegs which provide the same function as the Hipshot.



Fran

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Edited by - Fran Guidry on 03/24/2005 10:36:39 PM
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