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slackkeymike
Lokahi
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 Posted - 07/28/2006 : 1:39:42 PM
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I was looking at Rays Punahele in Mak Hanson's book, I noticed a chord G(add#11), tuning is G Wahini. I can't find it in my chord tool, and I am figuring someone here knows how to construct it. Anybody know?
Thanks,
Mike (tutorials appreciated!!)
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Aloha, Mike |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2006 : 2:28:05 PM
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Mike,
1) Go to this URL: http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_rb.html
2) put in your tuning.
3) select the chord you want.
...(I think you will select it as G then +11,
...which should give you G major with an added sharp 11)
...(and a flat 7th and a 9th, which are implied parts of
... an augmented 11th chord, but don't sweat it)
The display will show you all the posible fingerings, you can
figure out any inversions and partial chords from this. Comes
in very handy for accompanyment where you don't have to play
all the notes of a chord (because someone else is filling in
the missing ones).
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 07/28/2006 2:44:27 PM |
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Rlowenote
Akahai
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Posted - 07/29/2006 : 04:02:37 AM
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Lawrence, I getting a bit confused. I thought an "add 9, add 11" etc meant just adding the desired note without the intermediate intervals. And an "9 or 11" etc meant to include the intervals. In other words a G11 would include the "1,3,5,b7,9,11" and a Gadd11 would be "1,3,5,11".
I know you can generally omit many intermediate notes, not needing to play every note in the chord. I sometimes do this, but I try to get the "altered" note meaning the last note of the chord listing. On a G13, I would try to make a point of including the 13 and the other notes (1,3,5,b7,9,11)I tend to grab what is convenient. I'm beginning to deal with 3 and 4 note chords, and some notes are left out. Especially playing in the swing group since others are probably catching the other notes. Always learning.
Ralph |
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slackkeymike
Lokahi
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Posted - 07/29/2006 : 06:30:58 AM
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| Ralph, I think you are correct. |
Aloha, Mike |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2006 : 06:59:21 AM
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I think this is partly a problem of how the chord was written and intended on the score. Normally I would also think that "add 11" would be just that, adding an 11 and nothing else. But in this case the score calls for "add#11" which implies an augmented chord and therefore the b7 and 9 as well. But it could be meant to just add a sharp 11 too (and not the other augmented notes). In any case I would just play both variations and see how they sound in context. My personal bias would be to just play the #11 ontop of the three root notes (a four finger chord) like mentioned. AND, of course you can also just look at the score and see what notes are being played!
In any case, you can pick out all these positions from the chord chart given by the above link, showing how to construct the chord, which was the question SlackKeyMike asked.
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 07/29/2006 08:12:13 AM |
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`Ilio Nui
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2006 : 09:13:35 AM
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All the above esoterica not withstanding, the chord written in Hansen's book is "G(add#11)" not Gadd#11. It has nothing to do with diminished, half-diminished, etc. He is simply pointing out that a passing note, in this case a C# is being used. Gosh, we'd never recognize Ledward's playing without this passing tone, not to mention Uncle Ray's.
Dave |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 07/29/2006 : 11:46:18 AM
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| In any G tuning, C# (Db) is the Hawai'ian "Blue" note. The only really dissonant note in the music, a pivot for the I and V chords. The flat 5 also shows up in Cleveland/ Slovenian Style Polka music anad is used as a pivot between the I and V also. Bebop uses a flat 5, Delta Blues pre-war also. |
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slackkeymike
Lokahi
440 Posts |
Posted - 07/29/2006 : 6:17:01 PM
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Thank you everybody! This is one reason I LOVE this site!!
In going back and adding the #11 (as the parantheses indicate), it sounds fine and matches the score.
Mike |
Aloha, Mike |
Edited by - slackkeymike on 07/29/2006 6:18:01 PM |
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
1493 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2006 : 2:28:47 PM
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I would guess that both Led and Ray played it that way 'cause it sounded good. Then someone (Mark in this case) had to try and explain what they were doing in musical terms that made sense in the language of written music.
In any case "ditto" what Mike said. I LOVE this site!! |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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