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RJS
Ha`aha`a
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 Posted - 05/06/2008 : 4:26:51 PM
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Joel,
Don't know how long you have been playing.
While slack key sounds (deceptively) simple, there is a definite learning curve, and a "path" that could go on forerver.
The important thing is that you enjoy what you are doing at each step of the way. |
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Joel
Aloha
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Posted - 05/06/2008 : 4:42:09 PM
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Mika,
Thanks for the link will check it out.
Can't come tonight but I will try another time.
Just to listen tho, I am not at the point where I would want to play in front of folks.
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Joel
Aloha
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Posted - 05/06/2008 : 4:47:47 PM
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Raymond,
Yes you said it right.
My backround is I played woodwinds as a kid then quit in college.
In my 30's decided to start classical guitar and took lessons for a year then got tired of it and quit.
Heard slack key first time about 10 years ago and thought I jus gotta play that! My problem is I never really learned to play guitar right and theory of guitar. I have so many interests and not enuf time so I play in spurts. I have actually tried playing in standard tuning and it seems so unnatural to me. |
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
1493 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 07:54:56 AM
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Joel,
No pressure to play. Just listen and talk-story. We had a full house last night with six performers and a hula dancer. Some play in the Gabby/Ray/Sonny old-style, some create their own compositions (e.g., "The Leptospirotic Lady in the Philodendron Forest"), some talkalot and tunealot, and some just play nahenahe -- and then some just bring their own home-brewed beer to share while the rest of us sweat it out ;-) I am always impressed by those around me and critical of my own playing (a common false malady cured by practicing on days other than Tuesday).
We set out a group tip jar (no, not an old spitoon) and collect the proceeds to swell our SCSKS Education Fund. Then we lavishly arrange for the Itinerant Professional to tutor us in a SCSKS Group Workshop with the proceeds. Last to lash us into shape was Jeff Peterson. Come by and see if our methodology is successful, or not. . . . . |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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bbenzel
Lokahi
USA
130 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 09:30:45 AM
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Originally posted by Mika ele
Joel,
No pressure to play. Just listen and talk-story. We had a full house last night with six performers and a hula dancer. Some play in the Gabby/Ray/Sonny old-style, some create their own compositions (e.g., "The Leptospirotic Lady in the Philodendron Forest"), some talkalot and tunealot, and some just play nahenahe -- and then some just bring their own home-brewed beer to share while the rest of us sweat it out ;-) I am always impressed by those around me and critical of my own playing (a common false malady cured by practicing on days other than Tuesday).
We set out a group tip jar (no, not an old spitoon) and collect the proceeds to swell our SCSKS Education Fund. Then we lavishly arrange for the Itinerant Professional to tutor us in a SCSKS Group Workshop with the proceeds. Last to lash us into shape was Jeff Peterson. Come by and see if our methodology is successful, or not. . . . .
Mike,
With all due respect, the title of the horror movie is "Leptospirotic Women In The Philodendron Jungle Of Doom."
It's just a joke -- the idea is that my music is the soundtrack to my life and my life is a horror movie... well, actually one or more horror movies. This particular one has a plot in which a group of gorgeous women attract, control, and imprison all the men and fatten them up like cattle before turning them into glue. At the end, all the nasty women die of Leptospirosis and the remaining men escape to another island in an outrigger.
The idea of using a suite to take a set of four or five short compositions and transition through them without stopping is nothing new. The point is that the overarching suite needs a title and this idea has been in my head since I got a 102 fever in the middle of a vacation on Kauai'i. I could also just title it "Spanish Harlem Accident" which is the name of the piece I use to bookend the suite and is one of the longer developed sections, but that wouldn't get the laughs.
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Originally posted by Joel
Mika,
Thanks for the link will check it out.
Can't come tonight but I will try another time.
Just to listen tho, I am not at the point where I would want to play in front of folks.
Joel,
No pressure to play until you're comfortable with the idea. This is a very weird environment -- most nights it gets crowded and there are a lot of people who dod not come for music so they just ignore it and talk. Our own group sees this as a social occasion and we've all heard each other play these tunes a few hundred times so we all tend to ignore the music and talk as well. So, unless it's a really quiet night and something special happens it kind of like just sitting and rehearsing because, if nobody is listening, you are not performing.
Bill
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
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Posted - 05/07/2008 : 09:49:25 AM
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We wish we were there with you. Damn! It is hard liking a lot of people who are thousands of miles away - and having a lot of fun, too.
Bill, did you ever record that suite? I would love to hear it, especially now that I know the backstory.
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
1493 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 10:30:39 AM
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| It sure did sound good live. I can never remember the titles to Bill's songs but sure do laugh, just the same. |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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bbenzel
Lokahi
USA
130 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 10:57:41 AM
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Originally posted by Reid
We wish we were there with you. Damn! It is hard liking a lot of people who are thousands of miles away - and having a lot of fun, too.
Bill, did you ever record that suite? I would love to hear it, especially now that I know the backstory.
...Reid
Aloha Reid, thanks for the encouragement,
Most of it is fairly new and hasn't been recorded -- I had a long period where I wasn't doing anything new, then about 6 weeks or so ago I hit one of those binges and bunches of new stuff started coming out of the guitar.
Last time I did any recording I took a week off from work when I felt prepared. This stuff, while it sounds OK, is still a bit raw and there are places where it needs both practice and compositional refinement. I may get it done before the end of the year but my last week in the studio taught me that I absolutely despise recoprding so maybe the best bet is to just field record it at one of our parties and share with friends rather than do anything "perfessional" again.
Maybe cpatch will show up at a kanikapila with his Zoom box and we can get new stuff up on Soundclick.
Bill
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 11:20:20 AM
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Originally posted by bbenzel
Maybe cpatch will show up at a kanikapila with his Zoom box and we can get new stuff up on Soundclick.
Hopefully soon...I'm going to try to stop by Dusty's on the 31st but at the very least I'll be able to show up on Tuesdays once Rachel is out of school for the summer. I'll make an offer right now though to come over to your house and record at your convenience, Bill! |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
1493 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 1:25:19 PM
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Craig,
does this mean we might hear you play at Open Mic this summer or at Dusty's? |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
1526 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2008 : 1:50:34 PM
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Well, guys, no pressure. Just do what you can, so that the rest of the world can participate vicariously. No need to sound "perfessional", just sound as good as I know you are.
...Reid
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2008 : 03:33:06 AM
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| Mika`ele...given that I haven't played in a year it's not likely! I'll be there strictly as a spectator. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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sm80808
Lokahi
347 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2008 : 07:33:25 AM
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bbenzel
Lokahi
USA
130 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2008 : 07:36:50 AM
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Originally posted by studentaccount1
I thought this was a thread about Ozzie? :P
I was thinking the same thing -- it just sort of wandered off topic -- sorry for participating in the hijacking!
If there is any continuation it should be moved to Talk Story.
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
1493 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2008 : 10:54:20 AM
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In any case, with Ozzie's current DVD, the tablature is flashed on the screen while he demonstrates how to play it. If you have the Green and Yellow book, you can have the tab after the TV is turned off.
I disagree that "tabs blow".
Although you can't get the best part of the song strictly from tablature it is a very good tool to document how a song was mechanically arranged and played. I am getting so old, I can't even remember how to play songs I wrote six months later. However, when I document that song with tablature, it is a very fast refresher on what it was I was thinking at the time.
A single performance is a flash in time that ceases to be there once you stop the song. It will never be played exactly the same way again. The artistry, and I think the fun, is in playing it the way you feel at the time and being able to arrange the song the way you want. Although I know what Bill CAN do, I never know what he WILL do -- I listen all the more intently because of the unknown.
I look at tablature as a "book in outline form". You can see how to start, stop, fill in the middle and get a sense of the purpose of the song. But the narrative and the sytle is missing. Only to be filled in expertly by the performer.
When you look at Ozzie's tablature the first thing you notice is that there is no timing or meter indicated. This kind of tablature assumes you have a good idea of how the song sounds and the melody lines. This gives you, the performer, lots of latitude to tell the story from your perspective and for listeners to have the chance to "hear the world through your ears.
THERE. We are now back on track for this topic! |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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