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marzullo
`Olu`olu

USA
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Posted - 03/01/2002 :  9:35:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit marzullo's Homepage  Send marzullo an AOL message
listening to dennis kamakahi finally motivated me to try my hand at C mauna loa. i worked out a chord chart for C, F and G plus the major 7 versions, and compared to taro patch, it is amazing. you can play six string versions of all these chords that are amazingly rich. it kinda seduces you into a long noodle of strumming...

anyway, i've figured out how to do descending thirds on the high two strings, but a clean way to do descending sixths, as a turnaround from G7 to C, is eluding me. is anyone here familiar with this tuning? can you give me some hints (better than "jus' press"?)

mahalo nui loa,
keith

Pauline Leland
`Olu`olu

USA
783 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2002 :  8:51:42 PM  Show Profile
Descending sixths? I'm not even sure what they are. On the very slight chance this may help...

There is a nifty site that will calculate the chords if you give it the tunings, http://looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_db.html. There is a drop-down menu at the top; select "Guitar Room (advanced)".

You specify the tuning you want and the chord you want. It will tell you all the frets that constitute the chord. That's all the frets, from 1 to 12. It tells you which notes to select. It's up to you to figure out which position to play them in and which of the many choices to select.

The Easy site has a nice print routine, but the Advanced site doesn't have that feature yet. I hope it's coming.

Pauline

PS - A feature that I hadn't paid attention to before is that it also gives you the scales in more modes than I ever knew existed.

Edited by - Pauline Leland on 03/02/2002 21:22:48
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marzullo
`Olu`olu

USA
923 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2002 :  11:27:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit marzullo's Homepage  Send marzullo an AOL message
hi pauline,

thank you for the URL! this will simplify my life...

the "parallel sixths" is a common turnaround. if you have "facing future" by iz, listen to his uke intro to la 'elima. he does a turnaround from G7 to C using decending sixths.

thank you again,
keith


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Admin
Pupule

USA
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Posted - 03/04/2002 :  11:46:03 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
I have set up something similar at http://www.taropatch.net/tuning_applet.htm but perhaps Pauline's link is a little easier to "see".

Keith - you motivated me to work on Wahine `Ilikea and now I'm curious to give C Mauna Loa tuning a try. I just need to spend less time in front of my PC and more time behind my guitar. I'll let you know if I make any headway.

BTW, it seems you had a duplicate reply in this post so I deleted one.

Andy
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marzullo
`Olu`olu

USA
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Posted - 03/05/2002 :  10:54:59 AM  Show Profile  Visit marzullo's Homepage  Send marzullo an AOL message
hi andy,

sorry about the duplicate - i guess my 802.11 connection was flakey.

wahine 'ilikea is in taro patch tuned down to F. the song that i'm working around is ipo lei manu, which is in C mauna loa tuned down to Bb. i can't tune my guitar down to a Bb, it's just too low! so i'm trying to piece it together without copying it.

i finally figured out a few turnarounds...

------------ 0
---- 8- 7- 5 3
------------ 0
--- 7- 5- 3- 0
-- 0-------- 0
- 0--------- 0

and (this one is a stretch if you want to keep the string ringing!)

--- 3- 1- 0----- 0
------------ 5-- 3
-- 4- 2- 0------ 0
- 0-------- 1--- 0
---------------- 0
0-------------- 0

and my favorite so far:

----- 12----------10-- 8
---------------------- 7
-- 12-------- 10----- 0
- 0--------- 0-------- 0
---------------------- 0
0-------- 0---------- 0

... what a beautiful tuning! one oddity, at least for someone like me stuck in taro patch, is the alternating bass pattern. you know how in taro patch you can spot the D7 because the player hits the low D string? when playing the tonic you insttead usually hit the second, low G string. in C mauna loa, it's the tonic that gets the lowest string. my thumb just doesn't want to play that sixth string when i'm playing the tonic.

aloha,
keith


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Pupule

USA
4551 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2002 :  11:16:47 AM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Send Admin an AOL message  Send Admin an ICQ Message  Send Admin a Yahoo! Message
Keith,

Thanks for letting me know what you've got so far. Last night at 12:30am, I pulled out my guitar, tuner and `Ohana liner notes. I re-tuned my guitar and played around for about 10 minutes to see if I could make any sense of C mauna loa.

I confess that I did not get far in 10 minutes. I also need to listen to the songs to see if I can pick up some of the characteristic phrases.

Seems like a good challenge. I've spent most of my playing in taropatch in an attempt to 'understand' the tuning. I guess you need to retrain you fingers as to which string to hit. If I recall correctly, I experienced something similar on Keola's video in one of Auntie Alice's tunings.

Andy
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Pauline Leland
`Olu`olu

USA
783 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2002 :  4:58:30 PM  Show Profile
Andy, that's a nifty applet. I'd missed it. - Pauline

Pauline
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kihoalu
Aloha

USA
14 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2002 :  11:45:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit kihoalu's Homepage
Although I play Taro Patch tuning most of the time, I occasionally play in C Mauna Loa. I really love this tuning. In fact, I would say that it is my preference of tunings for which to listen. Notice that I said "listen". It is because I am not as familiar with it as I am taro patch. I notice that C Mauna Loa is great for accompanying vocals and that the pa'ani (solo between the leads) don't always play the melody, but a more nahenahe open style played over the chord progression. While taro patch lends itself well to doing both very well. However, the C Mauna Loa is so hypnotic!

This is just my humble opinion. I am definitely not a pro. Just a backyard style kind of player. I learned the old way as a kid... look and press.

You can hear a sample of my C Mauna Loa at http://www.hawaiimusicians.com. Just navigate to the member's directory and click Kepa Wong. There is a song called Keleka's Slack Key Blues that is done in C Mauna Loa. Try not to laugh. Again I am not a pro or a performing musician. I have a friend who talked me in to recording a few songs.
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Pauline Leland
`Olu`olu

USA
783 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2002 :  3:51:55 PM  Show Profile
Please, thank your friend for me. Amateur status on some of these forums is awesome! I'm so glad you shared so I could download all 4 songs.

Pauline
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marzullo
`Olu`olu

USA
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Posted - 03/08/2002 :  9:45:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit marzullo's Homepage  Send marzullo an AOL message
aloha kepa,

mahalo nui loa for posting the MP3s, they are lovely...

keith


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