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Sarah
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Pua Kai
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 02/13/2007 : 06:17:59 AM
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Thanks Sarah -
One of my favorite albums too.
I have yet to get a decent seat at any of his concerts, but will keep trying.
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2007 : 10:54:28 AM
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I'm a huge fan of his too and I'm so happy about that. Ho'omaika'i to him. BTW, I also love "Maluhia." I had it playing on Christmas Day and you could hear me singing along. lol |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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hawaiianmusiclover06
`Olu`olu
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2007 : 11:50:34 AM
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| I am too am a huge fan of Keali'i Reichel too. It is awesome to see his "Kawaipunahele" CD reached the Gold Status. I think that Keali'i Reichel is a awesome kumu hula, chanter, wonderful musician, and he is very personable. Did you that Keali'i Reichel can also speak the Ni'iahuan style of Hawaiian? Just letting you know. |
Aloha Kakou, maluhia a me aloha mau loa (Hello everyone, peace and love forever) |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 02/13/2007 : 12:00:15 PM
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| 'Ae. He puts it in some of his songs. |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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Kawehipulamahia
Aloha
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 8:54:00 PM
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Ah, yes...but Ni`ihaun is not a style. It is the original dialect of Hawai`i or tahito Ôrero Hawai`i...however, keep in mind that each island had it's own dialect. Today however, we all are used to speaking with what was hard for the missionaries to pronounce, using the L's or the K's.Since we are on the subject of Keali`i, another Keali`i also speaks the Ni`ihau dialect, whom I am refering to is Keali`i Blaisdell. I have had the honor of seeing him at a party in Kaua`i about 4 years ago in a plantation village called Pakala, where pretty much all who lives there are from Ni`ihau. His Uncle Hoa & (Late Aunt Momilani) are from Ni`ihau and from my understanding, they taught him to speak the old style way...it was awesome! Oh well, I just had to put my two cents in....
Kawehi = ) |
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hawaiianmusiclover06
`Olu`olu
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 01:23:25 AM
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Originally posted by Kawehipulamahia
Ah, yes...but Ni`ihaun is not a style. It is the original dialect of Hawai`i or tahito Ôrero Hawai`i...however, keep in mind that each island had it's own dialect. Today however, we all are used to speaking with what was hard for the missionaries to pronounce, using the L's or the K's.Since we are on the subject of Keali`i, another Keali`i also speaks the Ni`ihau dialect, whom I am refering to is Keali`i Blaisdell. I have had the honor of seeing him at a party in Kaua`i about 4 years ago in a plantation village called Pakala, where pretty much all who lives there are from Ni`ihau. His Uncle Hoa & (Late Aunt Momilani) are from Ni`ihau and from my understanding, they taught him to speak the old style way...it was awesome! Oh well, I just had to put my two cents in....
Kawehi = )
I know that Keali'i Blaisdell speaks the Ni'ihau dialect of Hawaiian too. I also had the pleasure of meeting him at his Keeping It Traditional CD release party here on O'ahu. |
Aloha Kakou, maluhia a me aloha mau loa (Hello everyone, peace and love forever) |
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keoladonaghy
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:48:52 PM
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Ni'ihau Hawaiian is not "the original dialect" of Hawaiian. There were variations of the language which were found throughout the state, as you later point out. The Hawaiian spoken by the few remaining native speakers of Puna and a handful of other areas in the state is as true to the Hawaiian spoken by their ancestors as the Ni'ihau dialect to its own.
The difference is the K/T and R/L phone was not simply because missionaries found it easier to pronounce them, it was because they heard both, and recognized that words like arii and alii had the same meaning. They recognized that this use is what linguists now call an allophone. We can debate their wisdom in choosing to select one over the other; it has had both positive and negative ramifications, particularly in the Ni'ihau community. The missionaries already had experience with the languages in other areas of the Pacific which used T and R, so I don't believe this choice was made for ease of use.
The R and T are more common in other Polynesian languages that are most closely related to Hawaiian, like the languages of Nu'uhiwa and Tahiti. It's possible that this means the Ni'ihau dialect has undergone less change (at least as far as its phonemic structure goes), and that other dialects that evolved in other areas of Hawai'i prior to Western contact.
"Voices of Eden" is a decent primer into the history of the language for those interested in the topic.
Keali'i B. was certainly blessed to have 'ohana that passed on the language to him in this way. It's an opportunity that far too few people have.
Keola
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Originally posted by Kawehipulamahia
Ah, yes...but Ni`ihaun is not a style. It is the original dialect of Hawai`i or tahito Ôrero Hawai`i...however, keep in mind that each island had it's own dialect. Today however, we all are used to speaking with what was hard for the missionaries to pronounce, using the L's or the K's.Since we are on the subject of Keali`i, another Keali`i also speaks the Ni`ihau dialect, whom I am refering to is Keali`i Blaisdell. I have had the honor of seeing him at a party in Kaua`i about 4 years ago in a plantation village called Pakala, where pretty much all who lives there are from Ni`ihau. His Uncle Hoa & (Late Aunt Momilani) are from Ni`ihau and from my understanding, they taught him to speak the old style way...it was awesome! Oh well, I just had to put my two cents in....
Kawehi = )
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 1:20:53 PM
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At our North Coast Hula/Language classes in the Cleveland area last year, we were fortunate to have Keali`i Reichel and Puakea Nogelmeier share their widsdome with us. Keali`i is as careful a speaker of the language as I have seen in my limited experience. It is a very important subject to him and you can tell that he is pono about it. Puakea Nogelmeier is a fountain of knowledge about both the language and history. They both told us that the T/K and L/R sounds were a matter of personal preference and use of either is not conclusively "wrong" nor is it "right". It is what it is. I liken it it to whether the W is pronounced as a "v" sound or a "w".
Additionally, language shows dialects wherever you go. Things we say or how we pronounce certain words in the hollers of West Virginia are certainly different than how the "flat-landers" speak here in northern Ohio, or how they speak in Boston or how they speak in Hawai`i. Matter of fact, I remember in small kid time, the great-granma's and great-great grandma's spoke very similarly to what is considered "old English" - very archaic words and pronunciations. My husband is of Italian descent -- half Calabrese and half Siciliano. His mother says that in Calabria, from town to little town across the mountains, sometimes you couldn't even understand the dialect they spoke. Same thing in Sicily. Isolation, both cultural and geographical, and profoundly impact the language spoken. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Kawehipulamahia
Aloha
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 2:12:12 PM
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Ah, mahalo Keola for that...hmmm I thought Ni`ihau lang. was the original, lol.
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kealiiblaisdell
Akahai
USA
52 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 2:33:40 PM
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Haha Kawehi, I remember you...wow that was a long time ago. Mahalo Keola. I am very blessed to have been educated by my `ohana. |
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hawaiianmusiclover06
`Olu`olu
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 2:42:12 PM
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Hey Keali'i, wow laulau... I feel sad that you don't remember me. Tears are running down my right cheek. Its Alana and I am a member of TP now. Please take the time to say back. A hui hou.
Alana :) |
Aloha Kakou, maluhia a me aloha mau loa (Hello everyone, peace and love forever) |
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kealiiblaisdell
Akahai
USA
52 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 2:52:32 PM
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| Hey Alana, sry...I have been so busy alot lately and my label management are the ones running the myspace for all of us now...anywho, just wanted to say hi to you.... |
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hawaiianmusiclover06
`Olu`olu
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2007 : 5:36:05 PM
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Originally posted by kealiiblaisdell
Hey Alana, sry...I have been so busy alot lately and my label management are the ones running the myspace for all of us now...anywho, just wanted to say hi to you....
Mahalo for returning the favor Keali'i! I miss talking to you too. Anywho, thanks for letting me know about your myspace. Take care and talk to you later. Feel free to e-mail me anytime.
Alana :) |
Aloha Kakou, maluhia a me aloha mau loa (Hello everyone, peace and love forever) |
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Kawehipulamahia
Aloha
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 02:15:17 AM
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Yeah, that was a long time ago...wow too long brah! I miss your uncle, how is he doing? I love your uncle hoa, he so nice and sweet. Are you still married to...I think her name is Korrie if i'm not mistaken? Eh, so wat, when you going back to Ni`ihau, let me know cause I like go, nah j/k.
Kawehi : )
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Originally posted by kealiiblaisdell
Haha Kawehi, I remember you...wow that was a long time ago. Mahalo Keola. I am very blessed to have been educated by my `ohana.
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 02/16/2007 : 10:46:18 AM
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Aloha mai e Keali'i! It's Alex "Alika" from Maine again. Pehea? Well, I probably better get going cuz I like leave for a hotel in Boston tonight so we can fly to Hawai`i Nei tomorrow... woo-hoooooo! I hope you get this. Maybe we can wala'au again sometime. Hope all is well with you.
E malama pono,
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Edited by - alika207 on 05/20/2007 06:22:33 AM |
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