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wcerto
Ahonui
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 07/11/2007 : 6:49:19 PM
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| Music is music. I liked the line "fight for your land" Things don't change. Developers and cattle barons all the same. Iz would go. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 01:59:01 AM
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Oh, I remember the old folk music days, with long, straight hair parted in the middle, strumming my $20 Harmony guitar, belting out "Ranger's Command". I wanted to be Joan Baez. Farewell Angelina; Deportee; Tramp on the Street; Strangest Dream. No mattah, I couldn't sing. No mattah I couldn't play geetah. I was going to change the world.
"Last night I had the strangest dream
I ever had before
I dreamed the world had all agreed
to put an end to war." |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Bwop
Lokahi
USA
244 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2007 : 08:32:06 AM
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My mana'o:
Woody is a poet. There are precious few. When we talk or sing, it is not as a countryman, a professional, or a pedant. We talk about the universal, the big WOW.
This is what hawaiian music, and any ethnic music, always alludes to, and it's what we respond to. We create after our own experience, and it is universal.
Why is a Bob Marley song the national anthem in the Cook Islands? We share what is human in us, and it knows no bounds.
Finding love expressed is our human direction. We can't do more, we can't do less. |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 1:22:35 PM
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Why is a Bob Marley song the national anthem in the Cook Islands?
Ummm, because it isn't? 
Here's a stirring rendition of the Cook Islands National Anthem, complete with lyrics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4CM9YFDUc
Yep, it sounds just like every other National Anthem.
Don't know what Marley song you are refering too, but I can think of lots of candidates.
"She had brown sugar... all over her boogawooga..." Well, maybe not that one. |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 03:53:28 AM
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It's the "human experience". Many are surprised when they find that it transcends language, nationality, race, creed etc.
Some can have the descriptive words roll out making sense and rhyming, some understand, and some don't get it.
Ethnic and Traditional music also has better food than "pop" and related genres. |
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hikabe
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 2:46:06 PM
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It puzzles me how you guys extrapolate so much from so little. I just see a hillbilly singing next to an empty jug. I need more phrases to interpret the full meaning of the piece. I know and have played with his other son, Joadie, a few years back and have discussed his father and family. Not a pretty story. I also know Iz and his family and am dismayed at all the bs attached to his persona. Romanticism blurs the truth and paints a false picture. Hollywood animates life. I don't!
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 4:48:22 PM
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The song that Woody sang on the video is "Ranger's Command". What made this video special is because it is so rare. There were few films made of him performing. That is what I wanted to share with everyone.
I certainly understand that when someone becomes "famous" or turns in to a "celebrity" that their life gets romanticized. That was the problem I had with the Iz biography that came out last year. It really didn't tell of his life in any depth. In that regard, Hiram, I agree with you. Woody sang songs. I wouldn't call any of it beautiful music, but he was a story teller and his voice fit. Iz made very nice music. So did Skippy. So do lots of other people.
I don't think Woody was a hillbilly...he was an Okie from Oklahoma. Flat land over there, I think.
Here are lyrics to the song, "Ranger's Command" as performed by Joan Baez.
Come all of you cowboys all over this land
I'll sing you the law of the Ranger's command.
To hold a six-shooter and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
I met a fair maiden whose name I don't know
I asked her to the round-up with me would she go.
She said she'd go with me to the cold round-up
And drink that hard liquor from a cold bitter cup.
We started for the round-up in the fall of the year
Expecting to get there with a herd of fat steer.
When the rustlers broke on us in the dead hour of night
She rose from her warm bed a battle to fight.
She rose from her warm bed with a gun in each hand
Saying, "Come all you cowboys, and fight for your land."
Come all of you cowboys, and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
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Bwop
Lokahi
USA
244 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 06:41:33 AM
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Aloha mai e Mark,
E kala mai-- I didn't mean "National Anthem". It's one particular island's anthem. Carlos Andrade told me when he went there on Hokulea, they assembled to sing to the crew. The words were tweaked, but the song was "One Love". Maybe we could do the same for the US?
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 07:25:11 AM
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Originally posted by hikabe
It puzzles me how you guys extrapolate so much from so little. I just see a hillbilly singing next to an empty jug. I need more phrases to interpret the full meaning of the piece. I know and have played with his other son, Joadie, a few years back and have discussed his father and family. Not a pretty story. I also know Iz and his family and am dismayed at all the bs attached to his persona. Romanticism blurs the truth and paints a false picture. Hollywood animates life. I don't!
Wow...between this and the James Hill thread it sounds like you're having a really bad week. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 07/17/2007 : 08:20:04 AM
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I think it's ok to give a reality check with another point of view.
It must be tough to watch others pay homage to those that you have unsavory inside information on or do not respect.
It would be a lie to portay ones-self as not disliking any performers in this nitch. There are big name performers that I don't care for too...some award winners in fact, but to say who they are and why I don't like them would cause me to be smote without mercy by the those that consider them great. It would feel realy good to let it out though.
Generally I think most hold it back and don't speak freely out of consideration for the fans and also for our own preservation.
But if someone opens the door, well... |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 08:38:08 AM
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The words were tweaked, but the song was "One Love". Maybe we could do the same for the US?
Amen to that, brother!
Actually, I was hoping you were right and the Cook's did adopt a Bob Marley song. My personal choice would be "Three Little Birds." I sing that every time the world gets to me:
"Don't worry about a thing.
Cuz every little thing's gonna be allright..."
I used to sing "The Ranger's Command," too. Not that it ever made me, or anyone else, feel better.
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 10:19:15 AM
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I certainly believe that consenting adults can discuss differences without being hateful. Book critics do it; film critics do it, etc. There are plenty of folks with the knowledge and right to do so. Just because someone is popular with other people doesn't mean you have to like them. There's some Josh Groban fellow that everyone around here is crazy about and I don't even know who the heck he is. Plenny people like opera, but I couldn't stomach it (now if you ever heard "hip-hopera", that's another kettle of fish all together). No matter who it is and how accomplished they are, seems to me that if they share their music in a public venue, then the right to critique that goes hand in hand. All as long as we are pono about it.
I guess that's kind of like me not caring for the new Iz release. It just seems too contrived to suit me...and only me. I would love it, though, if those who know nothing of Hawaiian music would listen to it and like it and TEHN start to explore other Hawaiian music. I don't like reggae either. Plenty of folks do.
Also just because someone plays nice music doesn't mean they can teach it. However, when you do find a good teacher, what an amazing difference it makes. Just like Patrick teaching Paul at August last year. The man is an educator by trade, so he obviously knows the effective and efficient ways to educate. I am sure Paul can tell you how very much he learned from Patrick in that short time, due to Patrick's methods. Certainly a lot more slack key players have more fame and attention than dear Patrick, but boy-oh-boy does he ever play nice and sing nice, and have a nice heart. Even though he is not "famous" like some others, he could surely hold his own with them. I've seen him playing with Dennis Kamakahi and Cyril Pahinui and Gary Haleamau and he didn't miss a beat, buddy.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 07/19/2007 : 12:13:07 PM
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E we all human that is what makes it great. We all go the bathroom the same way but we don't need to discuss what falls into the bowl. As humans we have our great moments and our times of weakness. So what? Do we go to funerals and talk about all the bad stuff/ I tell you everyone has good points and bad points even the people we might hate have someone who loves them.
I think that's why tell all books are so repulsive. Yet many people buy them. I rather remember people for the good they did rather than the bad. |
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