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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 09/22/2007 : 8:51:01 PM
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| I agree with every last thing you said and I apologize if I hurt your feelings.. But In the mother tongue I only mentioned the Hawaiian word that is widely used for the perpetrators. I know the connotation of haole today but it really means foreigner no more no less. And the perpetrators of what came about was entirely from foreigners. And I like the phrase first peoples too. I learned it in the PNW. Hawaiians don't have a lock on suffering from injustice. Just from now on we are not victims and I for one will always stand against injustice. Everywhere. Iraq, twin towers, Iolani Palace, Darfur et.,al. And I also appreciate your efforts and your actions and thoughts. It is music that we have in common and that my friend transcends all the BS going on in the world. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Pupule
USA
4551 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2007 : 02:37:54 AM
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Aloha all,
When people post and feelings get hurt, I read with concern (as Admin) wondering, "Uh oh, where is this going, and what do I need to do?" On the other hand, the discussion can be healthy and interesting. Despite dissenting opinions, I hope you can remember that we're all one `ohana. Appreciate it if you take a moment before you reply. Sometimes, posting when you're calm is better than in the heat of the moment. 
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I now understand why Hawaiian music got pushed aside, and is now enjoying a resurgence with instrumental works. The deep feelings for the place, when expressed with words, weren't relevant to a large enough population, even with seven million annual visitors, and a resident population of around a million.
I appreciate Absolute sharing his review of this CD. It's just the above line that I disagree with. In my opinion, this reflects a lack of knowledge of Hawaiian history and therefore makes a simplistic view of why slack key instrumental music is thriving today. There are too many moving parts here to cover (not to mention, I do not even know the subject well enough myself.)
Noeau - you write from the heart. You made me a little nervous when you wrote, "...and i don't care what the you think." This can spark some dangerous exchanges but overall thanks for sharing your mana`o. |
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sm80808
Lokahi
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Posted - 09/23/2007 : 04:39:07 AM
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The whole original post seems a bit troll-ish in its wording.
It does raise an interesting point that I will address in a different post. |
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T-Dan
Lokahi
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2007 : 07:52:35 AM
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Very interesting and provocative series of postings...Admin: you one good referee, brah...
My two cents on the "songs about places" topic, which was seemingly where this started before the flames heated up a bit in the exchanges, is that I don't believe you need to have actually been to a certain place to appreciate the place being sung about. I spent my teenage years on O'ahu and have been to SOME places, but never to Akaka Falls, but I LOVE that song. I never rode horseback 'round the Ko'olau Hills, but still yet I am moved by Olomana's "Ku'u Home Kahalu'u." Jerry Santos' classic is specific to his experience, but the listener can appreciate it in their own way as a longing for their OWN childhood, or of innocence lost, or of irreversable changes, even if you never set eyes on the Windward side of O'ahu. It's poetic and rich in images, and setting a song in a specifc place helps paint a picture for the listener, but it's not a requirement to have actually have been there to get something meaningful out of the song. Great songs are works of art, and they should evoke images, and in turn create emotions when they connect with the listener. |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2007 : 09:39:30 AM
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Exactly T-Dan.
That is why I mentioned "Cliffs of Dover" by the Righteous Brothers.
I might have also mentioned:
..."Penny Lane" by the Beatles
..."New York, New York" by Frank Sinatra
..."Graceland" by Paul Simon
..."Blue Bayou" by Roy Orbison
..."Streets of Laredo" by ???
And how about:
..."Swanee River" by Stephen Foster
About a place in Absolute's own state (Florida)...
......and the official song of the State!
And a gazillion other hugely popular songs about places where many
folks have not been. Of course, lots of folks have been to New
York, but many have not. By the wording of his post, Absolute seems
ignorant of a very common tradition (songs about places) in nearly
every culture on earth. It is just a little bit more popular form
with the Hawaiians that others, and for good reason.
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Mahope Kākou...
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Edited by - Lawrence on 09/28/2007 10:05:45 AM |
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T-Dan
Lokahi
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2007 : 11:12:34 AM
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| Yes, "place" to the people of Hawai'i is a core value, as it is a very unique geographical place to begin with, a very small and even fragile place. So Hawai'i's "place" in the world is special on many levels, and I think we could possibly replace the word "place" with the Hawaiian word, "aina" for land. It is special, and it needs to be cared for by good stewards who care about it. The specialness of place/aina/land of Hawai'i has many powerful metaphors for life on the planet that we can all benefit from, whether we've ever been to Hawai'i or not, or whether we are Hawaiian or not. Hawai'i just happens to be just about the mos' beautifullest place on the planet, IMHO, and I would like to help keep it that way, if I can...Same for the music. The flavor and texture and beauty of the Islands and its people are reflected in the music, and I love to listen to it, I love to play it, and I would like to keep it alive in my home and heart, no matter where it is, and pass that along to my ohana. One heart at a time...one place at a time...one song at a time... |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2007 : 06:49:31 AM
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Aloha,
I have the CD, and it appeals to me because it has everything on it, from traditional Hawaiian music to island contemporary, from hapa haole songs to Hawaiian language standards. I love listening to the CD and singing along. I can even play and sing "When Pueo Flies" by Robi. |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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