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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
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 Posted - 12/01/2007 : 07:55:28 AM
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I have been listening to Indie Rock at work (web radio) for a change of pace. I switch around a lot because I like to hear different kinds of music.
Indie rockers are doing something so often that it is begining to be predictable and stale: many of the songs finish with an unresolved ending.
I don't mind unresolved endings, but when I hear it song after song it gets old fast!
Anyway, it made me wonder if there are many slack key tunes with unresolved endings. Not that I am interested in playing them, but I am curious now.
I do not recall hearing one since starting two years ago.
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`Ilio Nui
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 08:29:01 AM
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Haina mai kapuana. Hard not to resolve that.
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 10:17:11 AM
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I learned "Kolomona Slack Key" from hanging with Kevin Brown awhile back. It was written by Nedward Kaapana and shows up under a different title as part of a medley on one of the Hui Ohana recordings (I think. Someone with a better memory/research skill can verify this.)
Anywho, the song's an instrumental in G, played in Taropatch, and ends with a Bb chord. I believe that would qualify as unresolved in anybody's book.
Keola's been known to leave things hanging, too. But I can't cite an example at the moment.
So I suppose that leaves the matter unresolved.
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`Ilio Nui
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 10:38:12 AM
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I too learned Kolomona from Kevin, one late night at Kaupoa. After holding the Bb for tension, he did resolve with a G harmonic. I'll try it the other way. Us old folkie/rockers like that kind of stuff. Thanks,
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 12/01/2007 : 12:56:15 PM
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Originally posted by `Ilio Nui
I too learned Kolomona from Kevin, one late night at Kaupoa. After holding the Bb for tension, he did resolve with a G harmonic. I'll try it the other way. Us old folkie/rockers like that kind of stuff. Thanks,
dog
Ned's recording ends with a G chord, too. (It's on Hui Ohana's reunion CD, the eponymously titled "Hui Ohana.")
Resolution is not really a composition issue, but an arranging issue. I know of no Hawaiian songs that do not resolve to the tonic. Whether or not the player decides to do something differently is an artistic choice.
I recorded "Pauoa Liko Ka Lehua" in D but ended it on A. But that's not what Emma Bush intended when she composed it.
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Podagee57
Lokahi
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 10:47:13 AM
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You know it's funny, I recently bought a CD of the Carter Family and was surprised at how many of their songs just ended with a strum when they were done singing. I was going...what that's it?
Bob, please check out this band - http://www.myspace.com/paintbynumbers
My son composed, plays guitar and sings lead on all the songs. He's the one in the middle in the picture. We're pretty proud of him. And yes a few of their songs have what you call unresolved endings.
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What? You mean high "E" is the TOP string. No way dude! That changes everything! |
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 1:57:35 PM
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Since I married for the first time at 49 1/2...I have considered myself as expert at unresolved endings..."I remember days..."
An ending is a choice of the performer/arranger of any given song, concerto, group conciousness/unconciousness, or arrangement decision...
so if you ever hear some Cajun music, well they often go to a seemingly capricious chord AFTER an apparent end point/chord...usually the IV, but NOT ALWAYS!
It turns out that one principle reason that Cajun music had this extra chord, was that the accordian player needed to release the air out of the bellows, and (after maybe 4 or 3 beeers --absolute minimum), well then maybe 4 or 3 players do da same--sometimes on the same chord!
So, meanwhile, back on the big island, you're playing Hawaiian.
WHAT IF... (as Hewlitt and Alferd Packerd would say) you did a fade out, on a nice sweet turnaround...it might sound cool..like maybe "E Ku'u Morning Dew" or some other instrumental vamp with one or two repeating chords...
...except for that sometimes, ONE of da 4 or 3 players--whoz had maybe 12 or 11 beers...well, he don't fade away....he keeps rippin' his blues riffs...
no problem...
jus' he no be at next kanikapila.
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WHAT IF all players landed on a IV maj 7, or maybe the Vi minor...
nice for mystical, dreamy grooves...
There are infinite possibilities...but somebody maybe gotta be da boss...
or maybe do it Very Garcia...
Something will always happen.
but for the sake of community, we need arrangements that we all can follow, and don't make all the listeners say, 'what you doin' brah?"
and maybe they know when to do standing ovation.
or maybe I jus' lettin' the air out of the bellows.
Indie Boudreau in Coloradeaux
Pick a chord...
any chord.
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 3:13:08 PM
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Hey Kurt--awesome band
"Paint by Numbers" with you son's songwriting/singing is very good! As good or better that anything I hear on the web Indie station.
They have avoided some things that I discoverd to be predictable in Indie, such as a wierd, nerdy/wimpy sounding vocalist (why is that cool?), converstational lyrics, but they do use unresolved endings.
Thier unresolved endings worked out for me though. Maybe it was because they weren't just thrown in as a last minuite attempt to sound musical.
Congrats man, he rocks. |
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Bing
Lokahi
USA
100 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 5:39:09 PM
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I had unresolved endings once. I took stool softener's and it went away. |
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Podagee57
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 12/02/2007 : 5:47:59 PM
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I think since everyones been telling their favorite jokes things have gotten alot funnier around here.
Kapila Kane - you're halarious. That was funny stuff....assuming you meant it to be funny of course.
Bob - Thanks for the compliments regarding my son's band. You're not the first one to say that they are as good as anything else they hear. We've learned alot about making it in the music biz and it ain't just all about talent. Sad thing is that he is with another band now after 7 years together, and he only plays guitar...don't sing at all. However this band does have a few connections. Here's a link. http://www.myspace.com/toliveanddieinla
Bing....well I just laughed alot. |
What? You mean high "E" is the TOP string. No way dude! That changes everything! |
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2007 : 7:29:08 PM
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| "Stool Softener and the Resolved Endings"...now that would make a realy good Indie name. LOL :) |
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