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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
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 Posted - 03/06/2008 : 10:55:53 AM
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Dawg, you would have to pay *me* lots more than a nickel to get me to rub your belly, but, since I love you, I would pat your back for free.
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 11:06:25 AM
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Originally posted by `Ilio Nui
BTW: I can Sit/Stay with the best of them. I can even roll over, but it'll cost you a nickel to rub my belly. You can have all the input you want to have in my studio, especially if you're paying by the hour. Woof!!!!
dog
Do you list this service on your studio tech sheet? Then again...maybe you shouldn't.
FWIW, I never assumed (from her two posts) that she was talking specifically about recording the ipu; for all I could tell, she might have been wondering about a mic to use for live performance. If you had additional information that wasn't mentioned here, then you had the advantage - but as all you other engineering types know, the needs can be very different for the two environments.
As you said, if you're in the studio - let the pro worry about it. But if she's headed for a pro studio --- why would she be asking us about mics?
Not rocket science, no --- but science nonetheless (if you care about the result, that is). |
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`Ilio Nui
`Olu`olu
USA
826 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 12:07:57 PM
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Reid, you're such a tease. I'll give you a dollar.
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 12:52:46 PM
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Come on boys. Get over yourselves. This is about Amy wanting to record an Ipu!!!!!!!!
dog
Now... Who was it that said this??? 
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 03/06/2008 1:21:50 PM |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 2:08:56 PM
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| E you guys. How do I mike my slack kazoo? |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 2:16:24 PM
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| From a different county, preferably. |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
1511 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 4:41:36 PM
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Originally posted by Retro
From a different county, preferably.
I think the correct response to "slack kazoo" is Gesundheit! |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 6:33:01 PM
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Hi Amy,
It’s Peter. As a buyer, engineer, studio owner and audio guy at UH Music for the past 27 years I’ll put in my 2 cents. I see where the advice is getting a little out of hand here. If your department has enough discretionary funds available, put some money into a good all around condenser with multiple patterns, this way you can use the mic for more applications on stage or while you are working in the field. You have to remember that these are delicate instruments and have to be handled accordingly. If you drop them hit them or throw them -- they do break. AKG, Rode, Sennheisser, Neumann, Sony, Blue, Calrec, Earthworks are good brands to consider. For this type of mic you put out more money, look at an entry level of about $600 – it goes up from there.
If the mic is to be used in a specific application and you know that there is a good chance that it is going to be banged around then you should consider purchasing a good dynamic mic with as broad and flat a range as possible. Most dynamics are rugged and can take a hit or be dropped without too much problem. I’ve even used a few as hammers for some shows.
Lawrence’s suggestion of the Shure SM57 or SM58 is an excellent starting point; they are standards within the industry. As instruments they both share the same element and have a consistent and predictable output unless they have really been abused. You can pick a couple of these up for under $200. Besides Shure, Audix, Eletro-Voice (EV), Audio Technica all have dynamics with good and consistent output. For stage I will sometimes use Sm57s but mostly I have been using Audix OM 5s and OM 7s, because they will take high sound pressure levels and give good reproduction on the low end such as when you pa. You can pick up a couple of these for under $300.
The drum specific mics have a singular application and may or not be the ticket you need. If your ipu heke is large the pickup pattern becomes important, you may need to use two mics because there will be an audible difference the two to three surface areas you may be using as you chant. The problem with one mic with a broad pickup pattern will be the possibility of feedback within a concert environment. If you are just recording than this should not be an issue.
For my recordings of chant I use an AKG 414 TLII condenser in a figure eight pattern. Sometimes I will go with two -- one for voice and one for the ipu. One of these mics can be picked up for less than $1000.
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Originally posted by kuulei88
Can anyone recommend a mic for an ipu? I have a Sennheiser 845 vocal mic for voice, but what would work for my ipu?
thanks,
amy k.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2008 : 10:52:30 PM
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| E Peter wassup? I just getting silly cause can. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 03:51:21 AM
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Hi Al,
Although it’s been a hard road lately, I’m still alive. Still waiting for the final edits to be completed on the books. Than it will be layout and publishing. Should be done in two maybe three months. First editions take forever.
Pete
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Originally posted by noeau
E Peter wassup? I just getting silly cause can.
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kuulei88
Akahai
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 06:33:37 AM
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Hi everyone,
Sorry I dropped off the face of the earth for a few days. And I also learned--be specific!.
Okay, I'm not recording. That's what friends with studios are for.  . I co-produced two chant CDs with Daniel Ho and the kumu hula association of southern Calif. I produced content (riding herd over 14 kumu hula) and Daniel did all the engineering with $3000 mics.
My need is for live sound, over here in the Great Lakes, and luckily I chant alone! I have a Bose stick (paid a fraction, literally pennies more than a Fender Passport system. It's a no-brainer setup for a non-techie like me.) So I got the Sennheiser e845 for voice, but didn't know what mic would work for ipu. Peter--great point about drum mics vs. ipu size. I'll go check out Audix. Thanks for the advice--everyone!! |
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kuulei88
Akahai
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 06:47:20 AM
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Forgot to mention that I just cracked up reading through the thread. This one's going into the scrapbook.
On the kumu hula CDs, our 3rd co-producer who really made it all happen is Ventura Fire Dept. Captain Lowell "Uncle Lolo" Edgar. His job was logistics--namely, getting 14 kumu hula into one studio. That skill is worth more than the gold in Fort Knox  .
On the mics: I hate to admit this in this company because it's so girlie--but the Shure mics are sure ugly. |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 09:33:56 AM
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I have a Bose stick (paid a fraction, literally pennies more than a Fender Passport system. It's a no-brainer setup for a non-techie like me.)
That got my attention! How'd you do that? And, do they have any more???
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On the mics: I hate to admit this in this company because it's so girlie--but the Shure mics are sure ugly.
Awwww, that is so cute!
When I was first in the biz & shopping for my first PA I picked up two mics. One was an SM57, which, as Peter mentions, doubles as a hammer in a pinch. Still have it, and have used it on all kinds of hand percussion on stage.
The other was an weird little 58 style clone by a company called "Colorsound." The barrel was done up in a bright, shiny high impact orange. Not your usual stage look. Sounded OK till it got crunched -- probably while pounding nails for some drummer's riser.
So, you want cute mics? How about something by Blue? Universally excellent, and boy howdy are they distinctive!
If Hello Kitty made a mic, I'd buy it in a heart beat....
Sound... schmound. Any fool can make a a good mic sound good. Looking good is the best revenge.
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 10:40:47 AM
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Originally posted by Mark
One was an SM57, which, as Peter mentions, doubles as a hammer in a pinch.
Never tried that with a 57, but then, that's what an EV 635A is for! |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 10:44:47 AM
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Amy,
Now that you have revealed that your primary use for the mike is live sound, as opposed to recording, you should keep the following two facts in mind:
1) Dynamics are usually more robust (ergo the Hammer analogy above).
2) Unless you bring your own mixer (or external phantom supply) everywhere, there may be situations where phantom power is unavailable. This is rare but it does happen.
Even if you prefer a condenser and want to use it most of the time, you will probably want to carry around a backup dynamic (like an SM57).
All of the cute "Blue" microphones are condensers and therefore subject to items 1) and 2) above, except for the "Blue Ball" which is a strange beast.
It is a dynamic that requires phantom power!
However, if you invest in a battery-powered phantom box (for backup power), then a Mic like the "Blue Ball" (which is available cheap) would definitely make a fashion statement, and should be pretty good on an ipu (but keep in mind the fuse length and bat weight!... read the manual). And you can use it as a boccie ball when not plugged in.
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Never tried that with a 57, but then, that's what an EV 635A is for!
I would agree with Retro, a 635 makes a better hammer than an SM57 (less plastic to break)!
However, even better is the EV664:
I used a few of these in the late sixties (As microphones AND as Hammers).
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 03/07/2008 12:55:04 PM |
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