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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
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 Posted - 04/06/2009 : 05:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by noeau
One will always get scolded or criticized no matter what. but your question about I laila. It is pronounced I lyla and not ila ila as some people do. Even Johny did that it is the same with onaona pronounced onowna and not ona ona. It is related to how some Hawaiian words are pronounced in song or conversation. Not an esay task. But always ask if in doubt.
I agree that no matter how hard we try, we are going to get scolded. As there are few formal teachers of these things, I have come to realize that scolding is teaching and accepting it graciously is learning.
That being said, no matter how much we respect both the kupuna who may be manaleo and the younger scholars of `olelo Hawai`i, there does not seem to be a definitive source for answers to the question like this one. This one hits home with me because I had a recording artist that we all know and respect hear me sing and scold me to pronounce these "i-lai-la" and "o-nao-na." So I changed my ways - only to have a revered kupuna who is also a respected haku mele tell me that I was doing it wrong and that it should be "i-la-i-la" and "o-na-o-na."
So, on some matters like these, there is textbook correct, musical performance correct, and old-timer native speaker correct. These don't always match up. So it will be impossible to please all of the people all of the time. No matter how much you respect your personal mentor or kumu, a second opinion wouldn't be a bad idea. A third might resolve any sleepless nights you have had over the issue. And a twentieth might provide you with a statistically sound sample to base your final performance decision on.
I would love for Keola D. to weigh in on this. (If I look deeper in the thread, perhaps he has.)
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mike2jb
Lokahi
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 06:01:03 AM
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Originally posted by hwnmusiclives
I would love for Keola D. to weigh in on this. (If I look deeper in the thread, perhaps he has.)
He has in this thread.
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Pupule
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2009 : 06:33:31 AM
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| Mike - thanks for reminding us of that thread. Great content to a frequent question with varied answers. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2009 : 3:33:48 PM
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j81g9W-4P6g - This video, posted on You Tube by our Taro Patch braddah, Kawika, is of Aunty Irmgard's `ohana singing and dancing Puamana. You can hear them pronouning o-na-o-na. I would reckon the haku mele pronounced it the way she wanted it pronounced and the way that was the common way of pronouncing it at that point in time. |
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
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Posted - 04/08/2009 : 4:11:34 PM
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But that could have been common in her houshold, and not actually be correct. In our house, we dropped the final vowel off many Italian words. Parmesiana became parmesan,for instance. My mother always pointed out that she didn't speak "real" Italian, but a local dialect from the area her parents were from. That's why we ask lotsa questiones.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2009 : 9:24:12 PM
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| As posted in another thread about puamana Keola D writes eloquently about the pronunciation of onaona and i laila. refer to it since it has been discussed before. Keola does not say right or wrong about it just what might be regarding sung pronunciation and conversational pronunciation. Go see it and the visit will be worth it. Oh yeah mike2jb has linked it in his post in this thread. |
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Edited by - noeau on 04/08/2009 9:25:12 PM |
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