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animatorgeek
Aloha
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 Posted - 05/29/2008 : 07:29:42 AM
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Hi, my name is David. I've been tentative slack-key player ever since I learned Manini at the NW Folklife Festival last year. I've wanted to learn more stuff but I'm not sure how to go forward. My guitar teacher has never heard of slack-key, so I feel like I'm pretty much on my own. I live in LA and I get the impression that there isn't a huge Hawaiian community here. Am I mistaken?
So here's the question: where should I go from here? I'm thinking about getting a book but I'm not sure which one to get. I went to Mark Nelson's workshop this year at Folklife and of course he recommended his book ("Learn to Play Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar"). Is that a good one to start with? I have about 2.5 years of guitar experience, with a combination of chords, melody, and fingerpicking.
Or should I try and find a teacher and/or a group to play with? Part of the issue is that I don't have a car so it's hard to get myself and my guitar to anywhere that's more than about ten miles away (I live in Hollywood, which is fairly central but the LA area is super-huge so most parts are still pretty much off-limits).
-David
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2008 : 08:25:33 AM
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Hey David, welcome to Taropatch. I'm sure others will chime in regarding resources in L.A. (there is most definitely a strong Hawaiian community there...be sure to check out http://hiccsc.org for the Hawaiian event of the summer). I can address where to go next based on your experience level.
If you learn better visually:
- Mark Nelson's video slack key course at JamPlay.com (an excellent but lesser-known resource)
- Ozzie Kotani's "Guitar Playing Hawaiian Style" DVD
- Keoki Kahumoku's "Slack Key Ki Ho`Alu" DVD
If you prefer audio:
- Ron Loo's "Slack Key Notebook" CD series (comes with tab)
If you prefer books:
- Ozzie Kotani's "Guitar Playing Hawaiian Style"
- Mark Nelson's "Old Time Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar"
It's also good if you can find people near you that play and get together to practice and/or jam, so hopefully you'll hear back from some people that live in your area as well.
Hope this is helpful...have fun! |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 05/29/2008 08:41:14 AM |
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
1493 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 08:51:23 AM
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David,
T-Dan is an animator -- did Monster House. He lives and plays slack key in LA. He sometimes accompanies Jim "Kimo" West around LA. T-Dan also has joined the Southern California Slack Key Society at our weekly Slack Key Open Mic. Look him up as a member and send him an email.
http://www.taropatch.net/forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=1301 |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
Edited by - Mika ele on 05/29/2008 08:52:05 AM |
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hapuna
Lokahi
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 10:03:35 AM
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I think there are plenty of resources where you live. I'm sure folks here will help you find them. Did you check out the slack key learning stuffs here on Tpatch?
And most importantly welcome!! |
hapuna
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 10:17:31 AM
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| Yah David wen you come back to Folklife next year you an sit up with us to show how much you learned. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
1526 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 3:04:49 PM
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If you are an animator for the flix, could you tell me one thing about anime - maybe this is an anthroplogical or psychoanalytic question, in which case tell me so.
Why are 99% of the characters in Japanese anime little, stylized, wide eyed Brit looking people and why is 99% of the scenery stylized views of the Cotswolds or old Suffolk, or, if woodsy, Northern America?
Even the trams in Spirited Away are Victorian Brit. But he is not the only guy who does that. Only the voices of the male bad guys in anime are Japanese, and, of course, pigs and pork are bad, too (Bhuddist?).
You can plead nolo contendre.
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animatorgeek
Aloha
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Posted - 06/03/2008 : 1:49:19 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions. I just placed an order for Playing Guitar Hawaiian Style by Ozzie Kotani and should have it by Friday. Slack key, here I come!
Regarding Japanese animation, in my opinion it's better to think of Anime as more of a medium than simply "cartoons from Japan". There are strong stylistic tendencies that I'm sure make perfect sense as descendants of old Japanese artwork mixed with modern Japanese and western popular culture. I agree, some of it seems pretty weird from a western perspective, but I guess I've just learned to take it for what it is.
That said, there's actually a lot of variation in Anime styles. Most of it never makes it over here, so Americans end up seeing a fairly small, not-necessarily-representative sample.
As for Miyazaki (the director of Spirited Away), he has a history of dealing with quasi-European subjects. And while not all Japanese animation is focused on European-ish content I think there is a certain Japanese fascination with western culture. Honestly, though, I would guess that westerners don't end up seeing the bits that are more focused on Japanese subjects simply because the distrubutors don't see those as being as commercially viable outside Japan.
(End of off-topic lecture -- sorry if that was more than you wanted to hear)
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2008 : 11:10:53 AM
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Welcome to the 'Patch, David. More than a few of us have used /are using Ozzie's book. He's good at explaning in print. You might check the Kanikapila forum for gatherings in your area. Listen to as much slack key as you can-your ears are your great est ally in learning music.
Paul |
"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
1526 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 05:19:49 AM
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David, it wasn't too much info. I could even take more. Anime is an important art form, and I have always been wondering why anime has diverged from the Japanese painting and woodcuts I love. There are traces of ukiyo-e in some, but there appears to have been a divergence that I can't account for. Maybe Sandy knows something about this, if he is still lurking. If I could ever buy one of Miyazaki's cels, I would jump on it. Cels of other anime artists have been sold, but Miyazaki has put his in a vault somewhere.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 06:19:05 AM
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Get Markʻs book too. It has a bunch of stuff by Keola in there as well. There are never enough teachers for slack key. I myself am venturing into the teaching world and I borrow ideas from everyone. Sp far I have one student and he is still coming back agter 3 weeks. It is the music that is the draw. If you think you gona love it you will find a way. Gdt books that have an accompanying CD it helps if you can hear what you trying to learn.
oh I humbly request if you going talk about anime do it on the private email. This is after all a music thread and web site. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 06/06/2008 06:20:46 AM |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2008 : 12:36:59 PM
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Hey David -
Nice to hear from you-- I remember you from the workshop.
I second the motion on Ozzie's book - it is probably the best intro going. In fact, when Keola and I were writing ours, we had a copy and made sure our method worked in tandem with it.
I'd also suggest picking up Ray Kane's video. Even without TAB you can learn a lot by watching him.. and it's such great music!
And try to bribe a friend fro a ride down to San Diego country for one of the open mics or jam sessions. Great people, and nothing beats playing music with new friends.
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2008 : 01:01:19 AM
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| Hi guys, sorry I haven't been on here lately. David, e komo mai! (Welcome!) How's our ki ho'alu coming along? |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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