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wcerto
Ahonui
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 Posted - 02/07/2012 : 08:48:00 AM
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Duke is THE man. The bolo head look is sexy to women, way more better than keeping what little pitiful tufts of hair you may have or worse yet, WAAAy better than wearing a comb-over.
And by the way, the "vamp" in hula is called kï'ïpä. prounounced kee-ee-pah. Very important to hula dancers. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2012 : 09:01:35 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
And by the way, the "vamp" in hula is called kï'ïpä. prounounced kee-ee-pah. Very important to hula dancers.
As I learned it, ki`ipa is a term that just means "rhythmic pattern." I've rarely come across that word, however, in the 13 years I've been in a halau, and it's been a long time since I've heard it used, so I may not be accurate in my recollection. |
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2012 : 09:20:04 AM
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Originally posted by Retro
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Originally posted by wcerto
And by the way, the "vamp" in hula is called kï'ïpä. prounounced kee-ee-pah. Very important to hula dancers.
I've rarely come across that word, however, in the 13 years I've been in a halau, and it's been a long time since I've heard it used, so I may not be accurate in my recollection.
I don't think it is common usage. Kiʻi pā is defined at wehewehe.org as follows:
kiʻi pā
nvi. In a hula, tapping the lap or left hand with the base of the ʻulīʻulī; tapping the palm of the left hand, floor, back of left hand and right shoulder with end of pūʻuli; both are now called in English “common motion”; to do so.
This is not really a "vamp" as I know it. I think most kumu would refer to the vamp more commonly as a kaholo. Even musicians call it that. From wehewehe.org:
kā.holo
nvi. The “vamp” hula step, more common in modern than in ancient dance, consisting of four counts: (1) one foot is extended to the side, (2) the other is brought alongside, (3, 4) this is repeated on the same side; then the four steps are repeated on the opposite side; to execute this step.
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2012 : 09:52:39 AM
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| Like I said, in the halau I belong to, that is what it is called, i.e., the teachings of Aunty Mapuana de Silva. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2012 : 09:54:21 AM
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And this is what I got from wehewehe.org:
kiʻipā
heh To vamp, as in hula or singing. Dic. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
580 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2012 : 10:32:06 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
And this is what I got from wehewehe.org:
kiʻipā
heh To vamp, as in hula or singing. Dic.
Well, that explains that. No space. One word. kiʻipā. Thanks, Wanda!
This is possibly a very new addition to the lexicon. Wanda, try this. When you do the search in wehewehe.org, change the filter in the drop-down menu to different dictionaries. (The filter is labeled NA KA HO'OLOLI IKI I KA HULI.) If you search several different versions of the Hawaiian dictionary, kiʻipā is not found. Changing the filter reveals that the only source for this word is Māmaka Kaiao. This dictionary of modern Hawaiian is a fairly recent addition to the literature as it was created to feature newly created words (such as the word for "computer mouse"). So now I wonder if the addition of kiʻipā to this new dictionary indicates that it is a more modern terminology.
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2012 : 11:22:16 AM
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“A`ohe pau ka `ike i ka hālau ho`okahi.”
On that, I suspect we can agree. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2012 : 12:19:16 PM
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| It might be that Aunty Maiki coined the phrase, so to speak. Aunty Mapu is ultra-strict about teaching the way Aunty Maiki did. VERY strict. When I took a workshop with Keali`i Reichel, he called it "vamp". |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 05:15:40 AM
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| All I know is that the key is called and 2 vamps, then the song starts. |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 02/08/2012 : 06:19:22 AM
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All I know is that the key is called and 2 vamps, then the song starts.
If you play the first vamp, I'll get the tempo from you and join in at the lead-in to the second vamp, how's that? |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 02/08/2012 : 09:28:23 AM
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Originally posted by Retro
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Originally posted by thumbstruck
All I know is that the key is called and 2 vamps, then the song starts.
If you play the first vamp, I'll get the tempo from you and join in at the lead-in to the second vamp, how's that?
Works for me. |
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/11/2012 : 11:27:54 PM
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The Wikipedia article 'Music of Hawaii' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Hawaii, mentions an 'Hawaiians scale' - A musical scale that is unique to Hawaiian music imbues it with its distinct feel, and so is aptly named the Hawaiian scale
As I understand it goes 1-2-b3-4-5-6-7 ... how important is this? I try to listen and identify it. |
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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 07:13:59 AM
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Originally posted by Ambrosius
The Wikipedia article 'Music of Hawaii' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Hawaii, mentions an 'Hawaiians scale' - A musical scale that is unique to Hawaiian music imbues it with its distinct feel, and so is aptly named the Hawaiian scale
As I understand it goes 1-2-b3-4-5-6-7 ... how important is this? I try to listen and identify it.
Interesting question. My experience with Hawaiian music is not great but I've spent a few years playing and learning jazz guitar. Jazz and blues use the flatted 3rd extensively to the point where the scale you mention is often called the jazz minor. It's also called the melodic minor. Minor keys are defined by having a flatted 3rd in them. In blues the flatted third is also called a "blue note" so both types of music know the sound well. I don't hear many flatted thirds in the slack key music I've studied or heard so far. I wonder a bit about the Wikipedia entry.
I'd be interested in hearing from some of our more experienced members...
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Terry
Olympia, WA
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 07:23:05 AM
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| Ambrosius, the only "blue" note I heard repeatedly in Hawaiian music is the flat V. Led uses it to great affect. The guy I learned from used it and it took me a while to get used to it, playing Db in phrases over a G or a D chord. |
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 10:41:21 AM
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Led uses it to great affect.
Do not put any efforts in it, but if you have a sample (Youtube or anything) in top of your head?? I'm a big consumer of Kaapana's recordings but don't recall ... maybe I didn't listen careful enough. |
Edited by - Ambrosius on 02/12/2012 10:53:36 AM |
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