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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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 Posted - 02/12/2012 : 10:48:14 AM
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I don't hear many flatted thirds in the slack key music I've studied or heard so far. I wonder a bit about the Wikipedia entry.
Likewise Terry. A general Google search didn't show up that much outside the Wikipedia article. I found the scale named as 'Hawaiian' in one of the chord finding applications freely available on the net. |
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mike2jb
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 12:46:29 PM
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From thumbs: "Led uses it [flat 5] to great affect."
Do not put any efforts in it, but if you have a sample (Youtube or anything) in top of your head?? I'm a big consumer of Kaapana's recordings but don't recall ... maybe I didn't listen careful enough.
Here is one of many YouTube videos of Led playing "Radio Hula", the tune you asked a question about at the start of this thread. In the Hanson book you mentioned you have, the flat 5 occurs in the first measure of the vamp, in measures 23, 33, 43, 53, 63 and 73. As Fran mentioned earlier, the flat 5 in key of G is the note C#.
Here is Led's "Ku'u Ipo Onaona". In this tune, the C# note is the first note of the song and you can hear it repeated at the beginning of the second verse as well. Since this note is not part of the G major scale, it seems to "stand out" and produce a distinctive sound. |
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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 3:36:20 PM
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Originally posted by Ambrosius
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Led uses it to great affect.
Do not put any efforts in it, but if you have a sample (Youtube or anything) in top of your head?? I'm a big consumer of Kaapana's recordings but don't recall ... maybe I didn't listen careful enough.
Ambrosius:
I never paid much attention when I was learning it but the flat 5 is a very prevalent note in Ozzie Kotani's Kani Ki HoAlu. Taro patch second string second fret (C#). |
Terry
Olympia, WA
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 11:30:18 PM
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| It's hardest to spot a tree in the middle of a wood. Thanks Mike and Terry. |
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/12/2012 : 11:43:28 PM
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Here is one of many YouTube videos of Led playing ...
Can't believe I missed it. I guess it's like Terry implies, head is in learning mode, and concentrating on details only. For my part, I'm more familiar with the key-board (piano) than the fret-board still.
Thanks again Mike. |
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 09:06:17 AM
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Ambrosius:
You are an ambitious soul indeed!! The introductory bars look and sound scary (but luscious) all by themselves. Jeff's tunes are so beautifully written and he performs them so well. Good luck with the learning process!!!
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Terry
Olympia, WA
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 9:07:23 PM
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The introductory bars look and sound scary (but luscious) all by themselves. Jeff's tunes are so beautifully written and he performs them so well.
I'll second everything you said, and that's why I have to explore .. I knew it the first time he hit the B chord. I have of course no hope of performing it very well, but I hope to learn a lot from trying.
I've been Googling for anything on 'Kipahulu', but don't find anything. There are a few versions on the tube, but Peterson shines.
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/12/2012 : 11:07:35 PM
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Terry, the basic structure of the song is not that complicated. It goes from root to the III cord (B in Taro Patch), the he goes to VI minor(Em), then to the IV (C) before back to G. 'Coloration' has to come along as it goes.
It's a bit easier to pick up from Jim West's version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH0gesfNdQM
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 01:03:42 AM
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By the way, Terry.
Something most unfortunate happened yesterday. A piece on the edge of the fret-board on my Seagull just fell off. The wood has a run-out of fibers towards the edge on the third fret, and by cutting the 3rd fret-slot all fibers has been cut. It just fell off during playing, and the sad thing is I can't find the piece to glue it back on.
Well, it's wood. I've asked on a luthiers forum for the best advise. Maybe epoxy and saw-dust in mixture. |
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 02:58:22 AM
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Originally posted by Ambrosius
Something most unfortunate happened yesterday. A piece on the edge of the fret-board on my Seagull just fell off.
Seagulls have a 5-yr warranty I believe. eMail Michel Bélanger at info @ godinguitars.com and explain the situation with a photo. |
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 07:17:22 AM
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Seagulls have a 5-yr warranty I believe. eMail Michel Bélanger at info @ godinguitars.com and explain the situation with a photo.
Thanks. I might just do that. Been advised that a mix of saw dust and glue or epoxy will stick out as more shiny, and the piece is just three months old. A pity, though, such a good guitar to play, especially after I adjusted the saddle down. Smooth as silk.
Quite frankly, I have a hard time to understand what actually happened. It was for sure ok when a sat down to play, because I was around that position 'all the time' practicing, suddenly the fret was knife-sharp. Funny I don't find the missing piece, though. Should be where I sat down playing.
Examining the fret-board more closely, I can see that the rosewood appears a bit porous at that area. Rosewood should normally be rock solid. |
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 08:47:08 AM
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My last experience with Godin/Seagull support was positive. They replaced my defective instrument through the local dealer. They replaced my instrument with a factory-fresh unit. Total turnaround time was 3 weeks (1 week review & evaluations, 1 week to Godin, 1 week back to me).
They won my trust and will get business from me again if I find something in their product line that fits my needs. |
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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2012 : 12:27:41 PM
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Ambrosius:
I second GuitarVlog's comments and experience with Godin. They were very helpful and quick in supplying me with a spare bridge saddle (free!) and a battery box for my eventual switch to amplification on my Seagul SW Series. They seem to care about taking care of their customers.
Good luck!
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Terry
Olympia, WA
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Ambrosius
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/14/2012 : 07:19:50 AM
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I did as GuitarVlog suggested.
Mr.Bélanger replay was prompt, positive and within the second, - it seems Godin takes full action even if the customer is half way around the world or not. Fix it to satisfaction or giving me a new box, either of the two. No questions.
I must say ... |
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