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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
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 Posted - 03/19/2012 : 4:33:31 PM
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From a real malahini:
Several people have mentioned "rolls" in their posts. For example:
Holomama: "rolls played with thumb and three fingers"
Fred D: "and the picking (rolls) are also similar"
Ozzie: "The clearest example of my "rolls" would be in my composition "Ku`u Kika Kahiko" - the intro and ending. Didn't really know what I was doing until I had to tab it! I use four fingers which defines each pluck as opposed to strumming with one finger - subtle and I often tell people they can get by with a strum - can't roll though."
Mika Ele: "For the chord rolls, listen to his opening of "Ku'u Kika Kahiko" an original composition in the rare C6 MaunaLoa tuning. He does strum with the thumb, he does brush strum with the back of his pointer fingernail, and he "strums" by playing a vary fast arpeggio or "roll" with thumb and three fingrers. Keola Beamer is a master of this technique as well."
So what is a roll?
Curiously.
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Terry
Olympia, WA
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2012 : 5:42:01 PM
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Hey Terry
When ki ho'alu players refer to "rolls" they're referring to arpeggios. The inro/outro of Ozzie's "Ku'u Kika Kahiko" are prime examples. Ozzie's arpeggios are lightning quick & one would swear he had classical training but in fact it was all self-taught.....I have a YouTube video of "Ku'u Kika Kahiko" but my arpeggios are pale in comparison to Oz's.
@ GuitarVlog-I often use 1 finger rasqueado (now I know the term LOL) but never 2 & 3 finger ones. Only person I've seen use multiple finger rasqueado is Manny Varize at the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UUtZW8O56s
It should be noted that Sonny Chillingworth also used this technique on "Charmarita" and also on "Malasadas" |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2012 : 03:57:15 AM
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| Do manapua qualify? ;) |
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2012 : 05:42:25 AM
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Originally posted by sirduke58
@ GuitarVlog-I often use 1 finger rasqueado (now I know the term LOL) but never 2 & 3 finger ones.
Yeah, sirduke. I was once playing with a piece and I tried a 4-finger flamenco rasgueo. My immediate reaction was ..... "Eeeeeehhh. No."
 
One-finger rasgueados work fine for some pieces though.
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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2012 : 06:16:32 AM
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Mahalo, folks! That's a big help. It always helps to know how people use some words since they're defined differently in each world.
Regards. |
Terry
Olympia, WA
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2012 : 08:29:38 AM
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Originally posted by TerryLiberty
... they're defined differently in each world.
Yes. I recall seeing one ukulele player refer to the rasgueado as a roll. I didn't know that the arpeggio was called a roll by some folks.
Rasgueados are associated with flamenco guitar and there seems to be no good English translation for the technique. Some people refer to it as a strum but a real rasgueo involves striking/attacking the strings from above. Classical guitarists also refer to the technique as rasgueo or rasgueado.
Tremolo is another technique. It's sometimes been described as a continuous arpeggio on a single string. Unlike a violin or cello, a guitar cannot extended a note so the equivalent solution to that is tremolo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrAOA6zHHU
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 03/20/2012 : 09:53:05 AM
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You no, as won reely good slack key playa, I ste pretty good at rolls especially dakine det goes ova my belt lidat yeh? Kenna hea but can see. |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2012 : 2:30:43 PM
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Eh Peter I tink sumboddeh wen give me one bum steer. I never get da kine "rolls" you get. I wen end up wit one pao doce. Chrai look
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
60 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2012 : 3:49:43 PM
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Originally posted by sirduke58
I wen end up wit one pao doce.
E-e-eh! Big misundahstanding! In mah world, dis mah roll ...
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fred d
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 03/20/2012 : 4:23:34 PM
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Hi I had a good laught about these answers ha ha---- When I refered to a roll what I was suggesting was something banjo players do ( Scrubs ect.) first finger plays the 2/3 strings Middle finger plays the first string and the thumb plays the 4/5/6 a forward roll is middle finger first finger and thumb a reverse is thumb first and middle/ first and middle are picked up and thumb is picked down I played banjo so long I have caloses on my finger tips like you get from freting on the left hand Hope this helps ( If you play in taropatch you can chord and note on the first 4 strings use 5/6 as drons and switch to banjo anytime you want!! Just think  hawiian music played on BANJO frightning?? |
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TerryLiberty
Lokahi
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2012 : 4:30:41 PM
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| You guys got me rollin' in the aisle. |
Terry
Olympia, WA
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GuitarVlog
Akahai
USA
60 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2012 : 6:10:56 PM
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Originally posted by fred d
When I refered to a roll what I was suggesting was something banjo players do ( Scrubs ect.)
Speaking of Earl Scruggs, I just learned that the great banjo master has passed away. He will be greatly missed.
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 03/29/2012 : 03:31:35 AM
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| Very few on the planet can be know by one name. Gabby, Cyril, Led, plus others in other genres. RIP Earl. |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 03/29/2012 : 09:52:22 AM
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Originally posted by thumbstruck
Very few on the planet can be know by one name. Gabby, Cyril, Led, plus others in other genres. RIP Earl.
Amen to that, braddah! He freakin' INVENTED bluegrass banjo, with the style named after him! One of my long-time heros, too. |
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Rolls - What are they?
