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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
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Posted - 11/01/2013 :  7:38:24 PM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
For the lack of musical knowledge (Strictly self taught); with a big desire to learn and improve, I would like to do something that is easier than sliding up and down the neck on some songs. I know that there are other tunings that are more conducive to one song and less to another. What is the key to unlocking this mystery?
I play taro patch open g strictly and some songs are really fun to play and sound good while playing. Then there are songs that just don't sound right and consequently I'm playing the higher solos by sliding up and down the neck and it just feels tacky to me. Wassamadda wit dis falla?

Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a

USA
1579 Posts

Posted - 11/02/2013 :  06:35:27 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fran Guidry's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The first tuning I'd suggest would be drop C, also known as C wahine or Leonard's C. In taropatch, lower the lowest string one additional step, from D to C. Ozzie has at least one tune in his book using this tuning. I did a tutorial on "Paliokamoa" in drop C: http://www.kaleponi.com/2013/08/03/paliokamoa-pali-o-ka-moa-tutorial/

Fran


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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu

546 Posts

Posted - 11/02/2013 :  07:54:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit Peter Medeiros's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Gary,
Another tuning you can use is the Sevastapol tuning or open D tuning - DADF#AD. Where the primary chords that you have been using in taropatch have been relocated to the middle four strings of the guitar. the fingering for strings 1 and 3, D and F#, are now closed and even positions. This is a very sweet tuning and is easy to play. Also try the Drop C tuning like Fran suggested. It is a very full and simple tuning to use. PM
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basilking
Lokahi

124 Posts

Posted - 11/02/2013 :  5:43:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The "key of L" [for Leonard Kwan, of course. & also for Ledward Ka'apana from whom I learned it] is great - taropatch/open G but w/lowest string dropped to C. Ez-pz to transpose between keys of C & G in this config. The other "sweet" tuning that's "intuitive" to me is [as Peter M notes] open D. Taropatch "grips" translate over a string with surprising lack of thought.
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thumbstruck
Ahonui

USA
2168 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2013 :  07:02:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have also used Taropatch G for playing in C with the low D intact. Some tunes lay better for that.
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu

546 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2013 :  10:28:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit Peter Medeiros's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hey Kory, Are you and Jack coming back in January?
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thumbstruck
Ahonui

USA
2168 Posts

Posted - 11/03/2013 :  7:03:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eh, Peter! It's in da works foa January. 2 weeks of winter wit no moa socks! I no sked da rain! Ony get warm kine on Oahu! Spock you bumbye.
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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
133 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2013 :  07:55:45 AM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Mahalo, going try when I stay day off kine. Getting pumped!!
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu

USA
993 Posts

Posted - 11/04/2013 :  3:07:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Utlizing different slack key tunings is so awesome. It's almost like you have a totally new instrument. I find that when you move between tunings you gain something and you lose something. For instance: You can manage to play "Punahele in taropatch albeit with a lot of difficulty. Drop your G string 1/2 step & you're in G Wahine & the fingering becomes vastly simplified.

Learning Drop C is probably the most valuable because coupled with taropatch & a capo you can play in any key people play at in a kanikapila......I did a chart here on taropatch.net but I'm such a computer doofus I wouldn't know how to find it.

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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
133 Posts

Posted - 11/05/2013 :  6:31:57 PM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, be slow it me, how can lowering one string make it easier to play; especially the lowest tuned string which is rarely used? I tried it one time befo' but den was long time ago, maybe going try again, tomorrow day off. Hey Pete, just visited Jerome he had a stroke but fully recovered. God is good. Bradda Fran going try make like you. No laugh. Serious kine. Mahalo one more time!! Feeling da aloha!!
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Ben
Lokahi

USA
122 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2013 :  11:51:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Assuming your reference to detuning the bottom string has to do Drop-C, it gives you a good bass C for fuller chords. In the case of Punahele that Duke mentioned, that piece and some others have a lot of F#-to-G hammer-ons, and tuning to G Wahine (a.k.a. double-slack) makes doing that really easy while it's really hard if you're tuned to TP.

Mālama pono
Ben
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mpi_50
Lokahi

USA
133 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2013 :  8:11:36 PM  Show Profile  Send mpi_50 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
That's kinda what I'm saying. Taro patch has songs that are meant for that tuning expressly. I want to expand on that, playing the same songs that I play in open g; just in an alternate tuning other than the previously mentioned tuning. A half step is like going from D to C#? Let's take Akaka Falls for example in open G, what would be the best tuning for that piece? It can be done in open G, but it doesn't do justice to such an awesome classic. What tuning would work here? Mahalo and pardon my lolo head!
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thumbstruck
Ahonui

USA
2168 Posts

Posted - 11/11/2013 :  4:57:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Akaka Falls" works well in Taropatch, in G and in C. Noodling is required. You can even figure out passing chords if you want. If you can use your left thumb on the lowest string, there are tunes that can be played in the key of F. Learning to play a variety of vamps is key to playing good back up.
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