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kumu
Aloha
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 Posted - 08/21/2007 : 06:11:27 AM
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Aloha...more to come
From...A female Kumu Slacker on the Islands.
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kumu
Aloha
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Posted - 08/21/2007 : 06:58:42 AM
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| ...or shall I say lack of Aloha. I am part Hawaiian-living on the Islands my whole life. I went to one of the Ki Ho`alu Summer Camps and experienced such NON Aloha Spirit that I am heart-broken. I am female-playing Slack Key since a keiki. Na Kupuna that I witnessed lacking Aloha is very powerful...so I will remain annonymous. I was raised to honor and respect my Hawaiian Elders...how very sad to witness this lacking from a well-respected Kumu hula. It is very difficult for me to write this message...but my heart tells me that I must. I was NOT the only camper to witness this hatred. Campers beware...know the difference between true Aloha and commercial Aloha...the commercial one just wants your tuition money....Forever in the Hawaiian ways and brought up with the truth from my Kupuna and ohana to share...From, A Very Disappointed Hawaiian! |
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Pua Kai
Ha`aha`a
USA
1007 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 07:11:11 AM
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I think you are a coward to come to a site filled with aloha and throw out this message anonymously. If you have something specific to say, say it. Since there are a number of summer workshops/camps, what is your point?
Usually people will reflect how you treat them; sometimes not. Sometimes you don't fit in. You would do the most good if you contacted the particular camp's organizers and head person and detailed your feelings with ways to mitigate the particular circumstances.
I hope you are able to find and share your aloha with other slackers.
nancy cook |
Edited by - Pua Kai on 08/22/2007 07:11:55 AM |
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kumu
Aloha
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 07:44:34 AM
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Pua Kai,
Perhaps you need to search your own heart for aloha...
before you accuse me of being a coward.
My life has been spent keeping my culture alive with my ohana.
I posted this message out of the love I have for my culture.
Living in Hawaii...I see many things that perhaps you do not.
Immediately after I posted my message I received emails from very loving individuals who knew which "camp" I was referring to.
I will not name the camp on this website.
My goal (in my message) is to "keep your eyes open to the truth...the Hawaiian Aloha truth".
Find peace in yourself from,
A Hawaiian Slacker who speaks from the heart and fits in very well... Mahalo to those who care.
FYI: The NON-Aloha behavior was not directed at me.
I saw others try to speak to the organizers...with no success. |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 07:56:38 AM
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| Unfortunately, I am concerned that your broad brush has splattered stain on ALL ki ho`alu camps now. I understand your choice to not name the specific camp, but Nancy is right in the sense that this would have been better dealt with by contacting the camp's organizers, and not by making an incomplete, confusing, and very public accusation. It adds to an overall feeling of discomfort, rather than resolving the issue, which does more harm than good. It also seems odd behavior for someone who is kumu. |
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kumu
Aloha
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:13:56 AM
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Retro...It is sad that you have taken my message in a negative way...
It was not meant to hurt anyone...just to suggest that students do research before spending money, in some cases lots of money. This is logical in all aspects of life not only in Slack Key.
I thought that taropatch let you express feelings from the heart...perhaps I was wrong?
Should I not speak the truth as a Hawaiian teacher?
Mahalo for sharing your thoughts. |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:31:32 AM
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Speak the truth? Yes, by all means, do.
Spread anonymous accusation and innuendo? Please don't.
Your initial post does not provide helpful information towards research; it only serves to engender general suspicion.
Have you, as suggested, addressed this concern with the camp's organizers? If not, why not, as it is the best way to get your issue attended to? And if so, why go public with it (in an incomplete fashion), rather than now letting the organizers deal with it? That's what I am curious about - your method of expression, rather than the issue you posted. |
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Pupule
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 08:46:18 AM
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I found the initial post (or 2 posts) to be very cryptic. And after reading it, I wondered who is this person posting and to whom are they directing their displeasure? I am glad that kumu is not naming names, but the message is definitely stoking suspicion and a negative vibe. Kumu, I hope you'll stick around a while and share your aloha. Maybe we will understand where you're coming from once we get to know you a little better.
I appreciate the replies here. You folks moderate better than I can myself. |
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
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kumu
Aloha
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 09:08:08 AM
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| As I stated in an earlier message-"The NON-Aloha behavior was not directed at me. I saw other campers try to speak to the organizers...with no success." I suggested they try again...it did not help and only made things worse for them. So it was suggested to me that I go on Taropatch...to share. Not "accusation and innuendo"...just what was witnessed. I see that posting on this website has backfired...and was taken in the wrong way. I am not here to slander or hurt anyone. Just to help the individuals that were hurt and try to keep this from happening again by suggesting that people use common sense. I will try to get the campers to post messages themselves. Best to all. Live Aloha and Mahalo nui loa from Hawai'i |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 09:20:26 AM
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| This subject is obviously very important to someone who was hurting bad enough that they thought this venue could aid in ho`oponopono. Perhaps this was the only option that could get people listening. Perhaps other things were tried to no avail. It takes courage to post something controversial, and I am sure the poster knew there might be repercussions from it, but thought the subject was of such magnitude that they were willing to risk scorn and chastisement. The Hawaiian way does not include direct confrontation. Please lets give the benefit of the doubt as well as give aloha. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Pua Kai
Ha`aha`a
USA
1007 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 09:39:16 AM
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well kumu whoeveryouare -
I don't need to search my heart for aloha. who do you think you are? someone special because you live in hawaii??
I stand by what I said. You are a coward to come to a public forum, cast aspersions anonymously and then accuse someone else of lack of what you are preaching and holding up yourself for others to admire. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Every so often, someone joins the forum to be unkind. I for one don't like it. And like you, they come anonymously. So go ahead and call me whatever you'd like. Treat me nicely and you are welcome in my home and in my heart. Otherwise, take your marbles and go play with someone else.
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Mika ele
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 09:44:51 AM
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Play nice Nancy!
I doubt she referred to the camp you attended or she would know who you are. So the anonymity is not so anonymous. |
E nana, e ho'olohe. E pa'a ka waha, e hana ka lima. |
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Momi
Lokahi
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 10:52:11 AM
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| Kumu, you're not answering the questions that people are posing to you. I think you are unfairly tarring all camps with the same brush when I don't think they deserve it. I also doubt the administrators from the camp you're talking about will recognize themselves from your post. I don't see what good can come from your post, but I can see a lot of bad that can. |
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da_joka
Lokahi
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 12:54:31 PM
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Kumu, as a relatively new Taropatch member, I support dis forum and all it stands fo. However, I feel dat by not giving enough information regarding your "camp" experience, you are not helping anyone to get to da root of da problem. I too lived in HI, grew up in Hilo den went UH, den moved to da mainland. I seen my fair share of non-aloha both in da islands an ova hea. Fortunately, at dis forum I experienced noting but da fondest aloha from everyone, all across da country (and world) from both Hawaiians and haole's alike. Please no try fo give all camps and kumu bad name by your vagueness. I feel dat by remaining totally anonymous, there is no credibility in any of da accusations, since you are not willing to stand up fo dem.
Brandon |
If can, can. If no can, no can. |
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jlsulle
Lokahi
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2007 : 5:04:54 PM
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Aloha Kumu,
I just returned from Ledward Kaapana's workshop on Oahu and during the last six years have attended all of the camps that I am aware of. At no time have I ever witnessed anything but Aloha. It would be very helpful if you could be more specific as to what actually took place as I have no idea what I need to be careful about. I will be attending another workshop in December and plan to enjoy every minute of it. I don't want to appear confrontational but please help me to understand. Mahalo nui, Jerry |
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