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wcerto
Ahonui
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 Posted - 10/12/2009 : 05:07:38 AM
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You Tube – week of October 11, 2009
I am so happy to have found a NEW CD – Passage to Pono – Old Style V - by one of my favorites, a kind and talented man from Moloka`i – Lono. Listen and buy. www.lonomusic.com. I think that is only place you can buy, because he told me he had troubles with a distributor, now he going sell his own stuff. Try buy ‘em. If you think things are tough on O`ahu, I bet Moloka`i even more tough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=214Trmz77q4
The Makaha Sons at the Kalama Heritage Festival. There are lots more vids of them posted on this guy’s channel. I put this one up because it is “Hi`ilawe”, and some fantastic guitar playing. Uncle Moon is heating it up. Something we don’t too often hear from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFSoAWrPHE
Kuana Torres of Na Palapalai playing an original song “Miulana” plaed on his brand new Cargo guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2nWWRmwqeE
You ever see Uncle Willie K. like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmG2Dpmlyak
A very unusual video with “Kawika” by Mark Keali`I Ho`omalu in the background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L16IjSX6Kw
A lovely rendition of Kuhio Bay on `ukulele by a lovely young lady named Sabrina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhVVkf8skkw&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
A very old version of Gabby and others singing “Wai o ke Aniani”. Not sure when, not sure with whom. But way very nice. Maybe Bill Wynne or somebody might know who and when.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQFrJy8td4A
Bobby Moderow, Jr. – Wai o ke Aniani
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua29JYDjGIc&feature=PlayList&p=90DBC60173B015FD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21
Kalena Kai/Lei Nani by Auntie Diana Aki . Does anyone know who is playing with her? Like to give them their props
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTQbq5kys2A
A wonderful version of “Lei Nani” by a great singer/guitar player named Haunani Poai Kaui. What you guys think of that guitar playing????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyTiXIY5AvM
Same lady playing “Ulupalakua”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdHf6wS1bvA&NR=1
Kawika Kahiapo and Martin Pahinui at the Kani Ka Pila Grille. Is it me, or do you think Kawika maybe sounds like Uncle Moe? Two sweet, nice gentlemen.
A very unique version of Papalina Lahilahi and Lei Nani.. I love to hear Martin sing Lei Nani. What a voice. What a guy. Can you tell Auntie is crazy about Martin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBtUSVHjS1A
Dennis and David Kamakahi at the O`ahu Slack Key Festival in August - `Ulili E – one of my all time favorites. A film put up by our friend Carmel. It was so hot that day. Ahdunno how Uncle Dennis can wear that long sleeved shirt and the coat ontop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxeUSq5YuVQ
Dennis and David Kamakahi – Na Makani Eha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERIeFPQQcIo
Dennis & David Kamakahi – Koke`e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScJ0Jk2EnZs
Walt Keale CD release party. Put up by Lanet Abrigo. Mahalo, Lanette.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXPAZ54-s8
And here is another one and look who is playing with Walt – Danny Carvalho and Don Kaulia I can’t tell who is playing drums, and probably wouldn’t know if I could see him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUzdXoM41TM
Jeff Peterson in the Maui slack key festival – and he even tells you what tuning – playing “Keokea”. Mahalo again, Carmel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj9Rr78YJnU
Moloka`i Slide - by Eric O on `ukulele
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC3MKHx_Pvc
Keiki Kani – at Children & Youth Day last Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfAqyVTGnq8
A young man named Aldrin with such a beautiful voice playing `ukulele and singing “Na Pua Lei `Ilima”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bhsr2RasuU
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 08:53:34 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
The Makaha Sons at the Kalama Heritage Festival. There are lots more vids of them posted on this guy’s channel. I put this one up because it is “Hi`ilawe”, and some fantastic guitar playing. Uncle Moon is heating it up. Something we don’t too often hear from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFSoAWrPHE
Thanks for this find, Wanda. If you look at his other Kalama videos, you'll find one called "Momma Irma and Papah Mike" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSjbwdMxSa0
- that's me on bass. I've known them (collectively known as Naki`i) for years, but that's the first time I ever got to play with 'em - we did over an hour-long set and a LOT of material I didn't know before, but had a great time. |
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 11:49:29 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
The Makaha Sons at the Kalama Heritage Festival. There are lots more vids of them posted on this guy’s channel. I put this one up because it is “Hi`ilawe”, and some fantastic guitar playing. Uncle Moon is heating it up. Something we don’t too often hear from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzFSoAWrPHE
Thanks for this find, Wanda.
It is definitely a "find" as the Makaha Sons are fervently against the unauthorized recording and distribution of their performances. They are not alone. I once saw an ailing Aunty Genoa Keawe rise from her chair on the bandstand to very privately and graciously ask a tourist couple to turn off their camcorder.
I wonder - almost daily - how long YouTube is going to be allowed to go unchecked by artists and composers who are losing both revenue and artistic control to their fans. It is one thing when the artist or label posts the video; it is another entirely when it is a fan. And while I know that Moon can rip it up (they did "Hi'ilawe" in New Hampshire last week), there was really no evidence to that effect in this video since someone was yelling wildly over his solo.
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 12:41:42 PM
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A very old version of Gabby and others singing “Wai o ke Aniani”. Not sure when, not sure with whom. But way very nice. Maybe Bill Wynne or somebody might know who and when.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQFrJy8td4A
Hey Bill or Russell or someone, anyone. Does anyone know about when this might have been. I would be interested to know who else is playing with Gabby on this recording. I absolutely love it. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 12:51:15 PM
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| I always wondered why some performers didn't like their images captured. If th movie don't play on the screen, it still plays in the mind of the audience. I figger it's just free publicity. Once a tune is played, it's in the minds of the observers. |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 1:55:36 PM
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Wai Hu’i o Ke Aniani is one of four recordings by Gabby released in 1946 and 1947 on Bell records. It was one of the songs that changed slack key forever. The other songs recorded were Hi’ilawe, Ki Ho’alu, and Slack Key Medley. They are Gabby’s earliest recordings as the featured artist. Also rounding out the group in this recording are Ralph Alapai and Joe Diamond. These were originally released on 78rpm records and were at that point in time the first commercial releases of slack key. These songs were compiled by George Winston and are also included in the Hanaola Slack Key anthology (HOCD 24000) “The History of Slack Key Guitar.” quote:
Originally posted by wcerto
A very old version of Gabby and others singing “Wai o ke Aniani”. Not sure when, not sure with whom. But way very nice. Maybe Bill Wynne or somebody might know who and when.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQFrJy8td4A
Hey Bill or Russell or someone, anyone. Does anyone know about when this might have been. I would be interested to know who else is playing with Gabby on this recording. I absolutely love it.
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JimC
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 2:32:52 PM
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Hey Auntie hope you don't mind me adding this one.
Faith Ako and I had just finished performing at the Napa Ukulele festival as we were headed back to the car the wine cave door was open so we walked in and Faith was moved to sing Nani Kauai. My wife had her flip with her and caught it on video. Kinda cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ejeduL9WQ |
Jim
http://www.ohanahulasupply.com
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 2:45:27 PM
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I hear what Bill is saying, but something such as this, an ordinary fan of this music documenting something that was so special to him, and then puttiing it on You Tube -- well, what's wrong with that? It is not hurting the artists. There is no detriment to the performers. No lost revenues, no infrigement of intellectual material, etc.
On the other hand, before I would post anything on You Tube of a professional performer, I would get their permission to put it up. That is why I have not posted anything we saw while in Hawai`i, other than our friends at the various kanikapila. I've got some great music from the slack key festival, but without access to the artists to ask their permission to post it, I will not. And most folks, I do not even record (I try ask permission first).
Meanwhile, publicity is publicity, as well as providing feedback that the artists themselves can see what their customers have to say about the product they have delivered. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
Edited by - wcerto on 10/12/2009 3:05:38 PM |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 2:47:53 PM
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| Jim - the Faith Ako video is superb! Wowie, what acoustics, but also, what a voice. |
Me ke aloha
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 3:03:44 PM
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| And mahalo, mahalo, Peter, for letting me know about the old Gabby clip. I really like it. It is a great arrangement. Why was this one of the songs that changed slack key forever. Was there something "new" or unique? Or was it merely the fact that it was recorded? |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 5:51:05 PM
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On the other hand, before I would post anything on You Tube of a professional performer, I would get their permission to put it up.
These days, that's a good plan - but I would suggest that you extend it to non-professionals as well. |
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PearlCityBoy
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 7:23:24 PM
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Hey Auntie hope you don't mind me adding this one.
Faith Ako and I had just finished performing at the Napa Ukulele festival as we were headed back to the car the wine cave door was open so we walked in and Faith was moved to sing Nani Kauai. My wife had her flip with her and caught it on video. Kinda cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ejeduL9WQ
Howzit Jim,
Wow, that was really moving. Wish I could have heard it live, but I was too busy outside drinking the wine! You and Faith sounded great during your performance earlier, and I loved the impromptu duet with Faith and Steven Espaniola. Was good fun talking story with you guys and Linda too.
Aloha,
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 02:08:08 AM
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I hear what Bill is saying, but something such as this, an ordinary fan of this music documenting something that was so special to him, and then puttiing it on You Tube -- well, what's wrong with that? It is not hurting the artists. There is no detriment to the performers. No lost revenues, no infrigement of intellectual material, etc.
I think you just described the opinion of most people who undertake this practice of recording live performances and posting them: Who is getting hurt? But that is ascribing feelings to the artists - many of whom we do not know. It is - to some extent - a means of justifying our actions.
Here are some of the ways in which live recording hurts the artists.
- Artists want artistic control over which of their performances fall into the hands of the general public. They have "off nights." They don't always give their best. They will freely admit that. They don't always play like there is a recorder running, and in a live situation they can't go back and pick up the notes they drop on the floor. Jerry Byrd was very outspoken about this. He was notorious for fixing his clams in the studio, and he didn't want his live clams to live on for posterity. Jeff Au Hoy agrees. I would call this a major violation of intellectual property. The artist should reserve the right to release the performances that make them proud and throw away forever the ones that made them cringe.
- Union musicians are quick to point out that audio and video recording of their performances is in violation of musician union rules. As members of the union, they must act on behalf of the union to put a stop to illegal recording. Aunty Genoa cited "the union" on at least two occasions when I saw her ask audience members to stop taking.
- I have to fervently disagree with the notion that home recording does not lead to loss of revenue. I can sit all day and watch the Brothers Cazimero on YouTube and never purchase one of their CDs. It can go either way. Seeing an artist on YouTube might cause a new fan to go out and buy the whole back catalogue, or it might compel them to merely sit in front of YouTube all day. However, one artist that always gets hurt by this is the haku mele. Their songs get played over and over on YouTube all day and they receive no compensation for the songs they composed. If this happened on radio, songwriters would be up in arms! BMI and ASCAP have, in fact, sued YouTube for this (as have some of the major motion picture studios) because YouTube makes money from their venture but none of the artists or composers do. This legal debate remains unsettled. Artists and composers would surely abide by a pay-for-download service, but YouTube is literally giving art away today.
It is admirable to get the performer's permission before recording their show, but do not take that as tacit consent that they would like that performance posted on the Internet. And even if you have the performer's consent, you still don't have the composer's consent - unless the artist is the composer (which, in Hawai'i where so many "standards" are performed by nearly every artist, often for the benefit of the hula, is rarely the case).
Andy and I recently opened for the Makaha Sons. So Andy and I both recorded our portion of the show - he on video, me on audio. We informed the Makaha Sons of this in advance, and their reply - ever so politely - was to make sure our recorders were off before they hit the stage. We could have said, "'Ae, we fully understand," and then accidentally forgotten to turn off our recorders. But we didn't. Because we get it.
So, yes, people do get hurt by this.
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Edited by - hwnmusiclives on 10/14/2009 02:11:05 AM |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 10:46:09 AM
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kden. nomo posting of you tube video links, so guys like Duke & Jay, Sam, Derek, Sean, Zack who expanded our world and our aloha with the music that I am sure they hoped someone would stumble over and notice.
There are other places on the net and other ways to help my brothers and sisters share their music. And even though I have never personally posted videos of professionals, you cannot possibly know how many of them have personally thanked me for pointing out their music and indeed all traditional Hawaiian music and hula to on-line communities such as Taro Patch. They were happy to see someone spreading the word about Hawaiian music.
But you are 100% correct in everything you siad, Bill.
I'm defiitely pau. It is a lot of work. So all you guys--that means you professionals, and you know who you are -- stop sending me links that you want folks on Taro Patch to "discover". Pau hana. |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2009 : 12:07:00 PM
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Like most stuff on the forum, we all tend to go overboard. Bill is right but so is Wanda. If people send her links, why not post em. You tube is a tool that is used and abused by many people and sometimes in the political realm it is used to help or harm people. We know that if musicians object to their material on the web site it will be taken down by request. But if we stubbornly adhere to what might be right then we might as well remove Pakele and any and all musical content on the site. I suggest that we donʻt get carried away with issues. This happens too often and I am guilty too. But I have refrained from engaging in controversy lately because it is a fruitless, energy consuming enterprise of which I have chosen to not partake in any more. This is one exception. I suggest that we live and let live.
Most of the content is not there for commercial means and yes maybe an artist might lose a sale but I believe that more good is generated by some postings than anything else. We get to see people we would not see otherwise. And I think we all know sometimes the undiscovered talent is far better than some of the so called pros we see sometimes.
Anyway that is my story and Iʻm sticking to it. Aloha aku iā oukou āpau |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2009 : 12:14:40 PM
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I have a lot of mixed emotions on this topic. First I have to say, that I am an avid filmer of Hawaiian music concerts. I always ask permission first, and I would not post anything on youtube without getting permission first. I have some wonderful moments captured on tape and I think from a historical perspective they may have sociological worth at some point in the distant future.
What I mean by that is, don't we all get excited by seeing long forgotten clips of Gabby. Don't we all wish that there were more clips out there of people like Sonny Chillingworth, Dennis Pavao and yes even Auntie Genoa.
In no small fashion, these videos are helping to preserve a musical culture.
Don't you think it's important to see Ledward Kaapana playing an autoharp, or Bill Tapia singing "Young At Heart", at the age of 101?
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