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chunky monkey
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 01/20/2010 : 07:08:31 AM
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| You're all overlooking the point. Who cares what Joni Mitchell says about anything? |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 07:10:24 AM
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| ...and in return, why should Joni Mitchell care what any of us have to say about anything? |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:07:28 AM
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| As many have said here, too bad! Open E, D and G tunings were used by blues and ragtime pickers back in the 1920's. At the time Joni came to prominance, my good friend and excellent songwriter, Mary McCaslin, used open tunings and wrote a column in (now defunct) Folk Sounds magazine about open tunings. Unfortunately, many jazzoids, a caste to which Joni now belongs, disparage all other forms of music. Oh, well...... |
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pili
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 09:45:09 AM
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Originally posted by chunky monkey
You're all overlooking the point. Who cares what Joni Mitchell says about anything?
Aloha chunky monkey, that's a good point, mahalo for that... but as I said in my original post, "it's probably good for lovers of kī hō‘alu to be aware that this kind of misinformation is out there."
The general public has become much more aware of what real Hawaiian music is. Twenty years ago, when I told someone I played traditional Hawaiian music, they might reply, "Oh, you mean like Don Ho?" Now, they're more likely to say, "Oh, do you play slack key?"
That's some real progress, and I'd hate to see it be undermined by misconceptions. You (or I, or anyone else on Taropatch) may not care what Joni Mitchell says, but there are many people who do, and who will assume that she knows what she's talking about. If we know what misinformation is being put out into the universe, then we have a better chance of countering it with the truth, and preventing the kūkae pipi from becoming part of the historical record.
‘O wau nō me ka ha‘aha‘a,
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Hookani
Lokahi
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 10:16:26 AM
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| To make things worse, Acoustic Guitar mags last issue has her listed as one of the most influential guitarists of the last 20 years. People who don't know any better will take her word and run with it. If someone was spreading a rumor about you that was totally untrue, wouldn't you want to set the record straight if it was detrimental to you? |
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salmonella
Lokahi
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 10:38:08 AM
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Maybe one of our TP ohana can get the Vancouver Sun to do an interview with Uncle Cyril, Uncle Dennis, etc, explaining the history of slack key during the 60's and 70's from their perspective. Knowing the kindness of these people, there would not be any slamming of JM, just relating the story from the point of view of someone who understands it.
Might help alleviate the confusion.
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Ben
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 11:57:51 AM
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The world has plenty of people who have inflated impressions of their importance and their impact. This is true across all human endeavors. Misinformation is unfortunate and - sadly - unavoidable. Still, I'm not convinced that Joni's words really carry much sway. Which is not to say they're not irksome, by any means. Just maybe not that significant.
I do like Dave's approach. Print a chat with some of the current generation of legitimate slack key masters about the history and traditions of the art, delivered to the primary audience of JM's -- oh, let's just call it faulty memories. With luck, it could pique interest among and educate folks who otherwise might never even give ki ho'alu or other Hawaiian music a thought.
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hwnslacker
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 1:23:26 PM
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Chunky Monkey is right, Joni is Joni, she does what SHE does and is good at it. I do not know her personally but have heard great stories about her and "the uncles" backstage at McCabes in Santa Monica years ago (honestly, they had no idea who she was but she kept saying she played all these tuning...)this totally sounds like something she would say...this is actually kind of funny being that we ALL here know the history of slack key...and being who she is.....she should know too..
Keep playing you guys!!! Stay ha'aha'a!!
Aloha,
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Patrick Landeza
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Trev
Lokahi
United Kingdom
265 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 02:54:16 AM
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Lead Singer Syndrome. It’s entirely usual for the lead singer, especially if they also write the words, to develop an exaggerated idea of their own self importance. They also tend to think they know everything, and have greater wisdom and insight than everyone else.
David Hasselhoff thinks he single-handedly brought about the reunification of Germany. David Crosby seems to think that he was the cornerstone of Civil Rights in America. John Lennon thought his pop group was more popular than Christianity.
Take no notice of the silly old hippy. It’s patently obvious she doesn’t have the slightest idea what she’s talking about.
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 06:45:56 AM
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I do not agree with Mark and the others that think she should get a free pass on her comments.
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Larry Goldstein
Lokahi
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 08:41:44 AM
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I haven't read all these posts, so maybe someone else has already responded.
With utmost respect, I offer there are long tailed white birds in Hawai'i: http://www.fws.gov/kilaueapoint/wttb.html
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 10:03:08 AM
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| They must be rare. I have never seen long tailed white birds in Hawaii either. Has anyone else? If she saw them, she was very fortunate. But then, when I was there from 50-68 there were no Peacocks either. |
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pili
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 12:53:30 PM
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| Yes, the koa‘e kea (also known as the white-tailed tropicbird) is a beautiful bird... it even has its own song, written by Mary Kawena Pukui and Maddy K. Lam. Kawai Cockett and others have recorded it. |
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Larry Goldstein
Lokahi
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 1:08:40 PM
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We're certainly diverting from the subject topic, but as a birder I can't resist.
White-tailed tropicbird, or Koa'e kea, is fairly common along windward coasts and inland valleys on all the main islands. I've seen it at Waimoku Falls (Maui), Kilauea Lighthouse (Kauai), and Kilauea Crater (BI), where it is "common." For a mainlander, this is a "target" bird. Wow!
A less common bird is the red-tailed tropicbird, or Koa'e 'ula. This species is also frequently seen off the windward coasts of main islands.
Not to get too romantic here, but for me the graceful flight of these birds reminds me of the soothing riffs of Keola Beamer and John Keawe.
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 4:13:51 PM
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Originally posted by Haole_Boy
They must be rare. I have never seen long tailed white birds in Hawaii either. Has anyone else? If she saw them, she was very fortunate. But then, when I was there from 50-68 there were no Peacocks either.
I can remember seeing them on Maui on the North Coast highway. I think maybe Kaua'i also, but not too sure about that, but definitely Maui. I agree with Larry they were very beautiful to watch soaring in the air above the cliffs. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
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Edited by - markwitz on 01/21/2010 4:16:14 PM |
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