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Pupule
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 Posted - 01/31/2010 : 2:30:23 PM
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| Thanks to you Taropatchers for the scoop. Congrats to the winners! |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2010 : 2:42:09 PM
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With the exception of "the big four," all the categories in which I voted have had their winners announced by now. I had about a 23% "success" rate in picking the winners - once again, doing best in Classical.
I will toss in a semi-spoiler here, however: Jake Shimabukuro plays on an album that took home a Grammy this year. |
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LikaNui
Aloha
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Posted - 01/31/2010 : 10:39:17 PM
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The show is over, and there was no mention of the Hawaiian Grammy.
When you read the Advertiser article, also read the comments from readers. Eric's claim on Facebook turned out to be totally false, but clearly the readers don't know that.
Eric also restarted the issue after the award, writing this: "And the Grammy Goes to .... You guessed it Daniel Ho...... That's 4 years in a row he has "beat out" the biggest talents in Hawaii... He's not winning on the merits of his music but his connections to voters... We need voters, people.
Daniel Ho winning again this year is a profound dissappintment to the music community of Hawaii, it is time to make a change and that can only happen if those who are eligible join and vote, Hawaii artist UNITE!!"
What an idiot.
I also saw he and Amy opening for Jamie Foxx. All five seconds of it. |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 02/01/2010 : 01:55:11 AM
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AAAAWWWWW Bull Cookies!!!!! I'm not only bald headed like Eric Gilliom, I'm also an idiot like him because I agree with everything he said!!!!! Mahalo for pointing that out LikaNui Maybe I should see Ledward or Cyril or Ozzie to ask if they can teach me that Kilauea slack key tuning or is it "Killa where's the slack key" tuning?.If those 3 don't yet have a mastery of that coveted tuning maybe they can be mentored or acquire an apprenticeship under Daniel Ho to learn it. Then Amy Hanai'ali'i-Gilliom could get an apprenticeship under Tia Carrera, after all she does have a lot more Grammys than Amy and you can't argue with those credentials.
I still can't understand the math where you have more Grammys then actual fans in Hawaii to whom the award is supposed to represent. Yeah,yeah I know you guys don't care that I don't know any Daniel Ho fans despite living in Hawaii. You guys all know DH fans and like you guys said "MOST TP members love & play DH music".....Which reiterates my point ......MOST TP members Are mainlanders We in Hawaii don't listen to Daniel Ho.
If there's nothing wrong with someone garnering 4 straight Grammys for the Hawaiian music category with very little Hawaii residents support and practically zero radio airplay in Hawaii then.........I have to where that idiot hat proudly....Did you guys see my pointy dunce hat? |
Hoof Hearted?...Was it you Stu Pedaso? |
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Ahonui
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Posted - 02/01/2010 : 10:06:54 AM
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| Not all the good in the world is recognized. Pity. If we come in contact with something good, we should commend it. Gondule rice, for one. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
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Posted - 02/01/2010 : 11:34:13 AM
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| Eh, Kory, you musta been eating Duke's gandule rice.....ono. But if he gives you the recipe, it makes enough to feed an army. |
Me ke aloha
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PearlCityBoy
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2010 : 12:58:11 PM
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It’s about time a slack key album won the Grammy for Hawaiian music!  All kidding aside, here’s a Taropatch posting from March 17, 2005 that makes for interesting reading today: http://www.taropatch.net/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2571 . Déjà vu? “Groundhog Day?” SSDY? Many nuances of “the game” were already known back then. It’s interesting to see the reactions of the various artists and industry insiders, as well as Taropatch members.
Opinions for or against Daniel Ho aside, I don’t see a compelling reason why the winning album, “Masters of Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar Volume 2,” didn’t deserve to win based on its content and production quality. I believe the album is an appropriate representation of Hawaiian music, and the song selections and artists for the most part seem appropriate. That’s not to say that if any of the other albums won, they wouldn’t be deserving either.
If you want to get into which album is more “Hawaiian” than the other, that’s a different debate. For reference, however, below are the song lists and accompanying musicians for each of the nominated albums. If you aren’t familiar with the songs, you can sample them on Mele.com . To me, one album stands out as having a fair number of non-Hawaiian songs on it.
Anyhow, I personally know many of the folks who have responded to this thread (as well as a number of the artists), and I appreciate the different points of view and spirited debate. However, let’s all try to be open minded, respectful of each other, and not be too quick to judge without all the facts.
Aloha,
Doug
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“Masters of Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar Volume 2” – Various artists.
1. No Ke Ano Ahiahi (vocal) — Dennis Kamakahi
2. Ho`okupu (vocal) — George Kahumoku, Jr.
3. Pau Hana Rag (instrumental) — Elmer "Sonny" Lim
4. `Aina Momona (vocal) — David "Kawika" Kahiapo
5. Makee `Ailana (vocal) — Owana Salazar
6. Ho`olohe Na Kupuna (instrumental) — Jeff Peterson
7. Sleepwalk (instrumental) — Bobby Ingano
8. Kealia (vocal) — Keoki Kahumoku
9. Koali (vocal) — Elmer "Sonny" Lim — George Kahumoku, Jr. Peter deAquino, Sterling Seaton
10. Kupa Landing (vocal) — Richard Ho`opi`i
11. Mele Ho`oku`u (vocal) — Daniel Ho
“He Nani” - Tia Carrere & Daniel Ho
1. He Nani
2. Ho`opomaika`i
3. Ho`ae`ae
4. `Aina Pumehana
5. Home Pumehana
6. Me Ke Aloha Pumehana
7. The Dessert Song
8. I Ka La`i
9. Kaiholena
10. Wakea
11. Kauanoenoe
“Friends and Family of Hawai`i” - Amy Hanaiali`i
1. E Ku`u Lei -- Palani Vaughan
2. Comin' Home -- Henry Kapono
3. Maka `Alohilohi -- Martin Pahinui
4. Have I Told You Lately? -- Willie Nelson
5. Pua Hone -- Sean Na`auao
6. Everybody Plays The Fool -- Rebel Souljahz
7. Pa Aheahe -- Keali`i Reichel
8. What Is Life? -- John Cruz
9. Shower The People -- Eric Gilliom
10. Kou Leo Nahenahe -- Nathan Aweau
11. Ua, Ua Ho`e`ele -- Dennis Kamakahi
12. Na`u No `Oe E Ha`a Mai -- Kaumakaiwa Kanaka`ole
13. I Believe In You -- Robert Cazimero
14. Ka Malu Akua -- David "Kawika" Kahiapo
15. Ho`onanea -- Darren Benitez
16. Send One Your Love -- Fiji
“Nani Mau Loa-Everlasting Beauty” - Ho`okena
1. Mele Ho‘äla no Ho‘okena
2. ‘Eleu Mikimiki
3. Rose Lau Li‘i
4. Maunaloa
5. Moanike‘ala
6. Nani Wale Ku‘u ‘Ike
7. Ka Ni‘o o Maleka ‘Ailana
8. Nani Mau Loa
9. Ka ‘Ano‘i Hula
10. Hanohano Helumoa
11. He‘eia
12. Friend
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hikabe
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/01/2010 : 1:41:08 PM
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I think it is the better of the four nominated this time. I like Daniel Ho's work/music but agree with Duke and Eric, who are not idiots. There is a lot of truth in what they are saying. It's a goal for Daniel to win the grammy, and he has a winning formula, no doubt. But the academy doesn't know real Hawaiian music. The sound is there but the content is not.
Anyway, congrats to the winners. |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 02/01/2010 : 2:07:41 PM
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originally posted by pearlcityboy
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If you want to get into which album is more “Hawaiian” than the other, that’s a different debate. For reference, however, below are the song lists and accompanying musicians for each of the nominated albums. If you aren’t familiar with the songs, you can sample them on Mele.com . To me, one album stands out as having a fair number of non-Hawaiian songs on it.
I hear that Doug, below is a CD review someone submitted on Amazon.com concerning amy Hani'alii that I couldn't agree with more. I attended the Grammy nominees concert in downtown Honolulu recently and saw duets she did with Sean Na'auoa, John Cruz, Nathan Aweau, that Kanaka'ole guy and brother Eric.....most of which asked the question "Amy what were you thinkin'?"....Below was an email from a friend
Was looking on Amazon to hear samples of Amy's album and saw this review from somebody. Thought it was kind of fitting.
"Sadly, Amy is trying to become a pop/jazz singer -- and is shedding her Hawaiian roots. I think she is killing her career. Given her lineage, she is one of a very few Hawaiian singer who can represent the past in the present. And yet she opts to discard that special gift, talent and culture to do second-rate duos and try to be someone she is not. This is $20 I will never see again. Come back to us, Amy. We miss you. Preserve your culture and enchant us once more."
Too bad Ho'okena didn't walk away with the Grammy. The other 3 nominees were all designed to target the Grammy Award. Ho'okena just did what they've been doing for the last 20 plus years.
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PearlCityBoy
Lokahi
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432 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 3:16:58 PM
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Originally posted by sirduke58
originally posted by pearlcityboy
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If you want to get into which album is more “Hawaiian” than the other, that’s a different debate. For reference, however, below are the song lists and accompanying musicians for each of the nominated albums. If you aren’t familiar with the songs, you can sample them on Mele.com . To me, one album stands out as having a fair number of non-Hawaiian songs on it.
I hear that Doug, below is a CD review someone submitted on Amazon.com concerning amy Hani'alii that I couldn't agree with more. I attended the Grammy nominees concert in downtown Honolulu recently and saw duets she did with Sean Na'auoa, John Cruz, Nathan Aweau, that Kanaka'ole guy and brother Eric.....most of which asked the question "Amy what were you thinkin'?"....Below was an email from a friend
Was looking on Amazon to hear samples of Amy's album and saw this review from somebody. Thought it was kind of fitting.
"Sadly, Amy is trying to become a pop/jazz singer -- and is shedding her Hawaiian roots. I think she is killing her career. Given her lineage, she is one of a very few Hawaiian singer who can represent the past in the present. And yet she opts to discard that special gift, talent and culture to do second-rate duos and try to be someone she is not. This is $20 I will never see again. Come back to us, Amy. We miss you. Preserve your culture and enchant us once more."
Howzit Duke,
Speaking of "Amy, what were you thinking?", did you see her 15 second bit with brother Eric to open Jamie Foxx's song at the Grammys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc4ivWbKX9Y (about 30 seconds in). It was an over-the-top, non-Hawaiian, mock opera kind of thing which left me dumbfounded. It got me thinking, is this a good way to provide national/international exposure for the "top-selling female vocalist in Hawai’i"? Fortunately, the bit was so quick and forgettable that most local folks wouldn't have noticed.
Regarding some of your points, here's an interesting article (08/28/09) from Wayne Harada regarding Amy's album.
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Will Hanaiali'i's duets CD help save the music industry?
Amy Hanaiali’i’s latest CD, “Friends & Family of Hawai’i,” arrives in a challenging economic climate. Record sales are way down; artists get minimal or no radio airplay; downloading is rampant. This is the new normal.
But there are folks who still believe in the hold-in-the-hands-and-feel-the-product tradition. They still buy CDs.
However, a “hit” album now may log paltry sales of 1,800 to 2,000 units, when 20,000 was the norm.
Thus, dealers and artists alike are watching the performance of Hanaiali’i very closely. Is this Mountain Apple Company release going to make a difference? Will it play from Hilo to Hanalei?
Hanaiali’i renders 16 duets with male singers — all local, iconic Willie Nelson being the lone oddity — to showcase the diverse nature of her catalogue and vocal style. Indeed, with so much variety, both artistry and commerce are setting sail to see if this one can up the ante at the cash registers while still do what Hanaiali’i does: stretch the boundaries of Hawaiian music by exploring shades and textures that expand the mind, if not the geography, in outside-the-box risks.
I believe “Friends & Family of Hawai’i” has the potential to become one of those albums where everyone knows every track on the disc by the end of the first month or two of release. The last time this happened locally was in 1994, when Keali’i Reichel’s landmark “Kawaipunahele” became a sensation, with local stations airing different tracks, when folks had a different favorite Reichel cuts — making the Maui kumu hula a star to reckon with. Reichel is among the participants here, for insurance.
Hanaiali’i, of course, is an established pro whose complexity makes her difficult to pigeon-hole.
Matt Catingub’s arrangements and orchestrations provide surround-sound vistas; the sweeping whirlpool occasionally is overpowering, when a simple guitar might have done the job. But grandeur is the m.o.; and with most songs more than 3 minutes long (and some nearly 5 minutes), running time may thwart radio play (stations like ‘em short and crisp).
Herewith, a track-by-track glimpse:
• E Ku’u Lei,” with Palani Vaughan — A Robert Cazimero composition becomes a poignant and delicate tapestry with subdued and radiant warmth that harkens back to the days of the ali’i. Vaughan’s deliberate restraint is exquisite.
• “Comin’Home,” with Henry Kapono — A subdued ballad of homecoming joy, a delicate balance of relief and anticipation. For a short spell, imagine Hanaiali’i as Cecilio — in the spirit of goodtimes forever.
• “Maka ‘Alohilohi,” with the Martin Pahinui Trio — This is one of those jams evocative of lu’au, with the Pahinui gang (including George Kuo and Aaron Mahi) echoing Hanaiali’i with casual, hang-loose fun complete with ki ho’alu.
• “Have I Told You Lately?,” with Willie Nelson — The Maui connection is the reason to lasso country gent Nelson to update the vintage Van Morrison hit earlier popularized by Rod Stewart. His wobbly and nasal vocal timbre makes this a wild card entry for a global audience.
• “Pua Hone,” with Sean Na’auao— The beloved Rev. Dennis Kamakahi classic is reinterpreted for a new generation, with forsaking his uptempo reggaefied posture for the playful refrains with hula implications.
• “Everybody Plays the Fool,” with Rebel Souljahz — The Jawaiian juice is poured by the rousing Souljahz, reinterpreting with Hanaiali’i the Main Ingredient’s oldie. Not quite the kind of ditty you’d expect her to soldier on with, except perhaps to lure young ears.
• “Pa Aheahe,” with Keali’i Reichel — A tune in Hawaiian, reflecting adoration for a tutuwahine, a sentiment shared by both the guest singer and Hanaiali’i; Reichel’s luminous pipes are a perfect match for hers and the framework of symphonic dressage by Catingub yields a picture of tranquil reflection. The money track— with the texture that definied Reichel’s “Kawaipunahele” outing.
• “What Is Life?,” with John Cruz — George Harrison’s original is old enough to be “new” to youthful ears and Cruz’s intensity and simplicity just might garner a griphold among the deejays. This is contemplative balladry that provokes thinking, feeling, believing. And both wail — with a lot of life.
• “Shower the People,” with Eric Gilliom — OK, brother and sis together; shouldn’t that generate hurrahs? The James Taylor trademark is given a rhythm ’n’ blues booster shot and the kinship resonates.
• “Kou Leo Nahenahe,” with Nathan Aweau — The most powerful track, with Aweau displaying his composing and solo and harmony vocal prowess. It starts on a mellow note and builds to a stirring nahenahe and satisfying finish.
• “Ua, Ua Ho’e’ele,” with Dennis Kamakahi — Frisky is the best way to describe this delight, a Kamakahi contribution; makes you want to tap your toes, burst into hula, prance and join in song. Slack key rules, too. And two stellar elocutionists give-and-take, in see-sawing interplay.
• “Na’u No ‘Oe Mai/I Will Dance for You,” with Kaumakaiwa Kanaka’ole — This one is the underdog; chant-like in substance, Hawaiian ballad in performance; her sultry pitches sway with his upper-register waves, like surf dancing on the shoreline. It’s in Hawaiian, it’s in English; it’s a wonderment.
• “Ka Malu Akua,” with David Kawika Kahiapo — A stirring entry, co-written by Hanaiali’i, beautifully crafted with Kahiapo, with uncommon spiritually dealing with deities and spirits. Chicken skin.
• “I Believe in You,” with Robert Cazimero — He wrote it and they make it sound like they’ve been doing it for years; sweet, gentle, radiant, melodic, pledging mutual faith and commitment, two huge voices with a skosh of restraint to enable each other to paint a sound picture of poignancy... surprisingly in English, and evocative of a movie-musical love theme.
• “Ho’onanea,” with Darren Benitez — In an obvious tribute to Lena Machado, this Hawaiian classic enables the falsetto-savvy Benitez and the songbird to stroll down memory lane, with a deliberate and jazz-tinged arrangement with a yesteryear twang featuring Bobby Ingano’s singing atmospheric steel guitar.
• “Send One Your Love,” with Fiji — He is still somewhat under appreciated in these parts, and Hanaiali’i becomes soul sistah to his soul bro posture, and both pump as they revive this Stevie Wonder trademark with passionate, personal imprints.
Long story short: will duets do it for Hanaiali’i?
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Retro
Ahonui
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Posted - 02/02/2010 : 5:34:36 PM
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These are the artists who have appeared on four of the six "Best Hawaiian Album" Grammy-winning releases (from Daniel Ho Creations record label)...
George Kahumoku, Jr.
Dennis Kamakahi
Sonny Lim
Keoki Kahumoku
Owana Salazar
Kawika Kahiapo
Jeff Peterson
Daniel Ho
Richard Ho’opi’i
Bobby Ingano
Ledward Kaapana
Cyril Pahinui
Martin Pahinui
Da ‘Ukulele Boyz
Sterling Seaton
Ozzie Kotani
Please tell me why they supposedly do not represent Hawaiian music. |
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Aloha
USA
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Posted - 02/02/2010 : 6:32:19 PM
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Good point Retro. I would like to add that Daniel also works with:
Darlene Ahuna
Kawaikapuokalani Hewett
Herb Ohta Jr.,
Amy Ku`uleialoha Stillman
Gordon Mark
The Kumu Hula of Kulia I Ka Punawai...
That sounds pretty Hawaiian to me too.
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 05:29:50 AM
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GUke
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 08:38:07 AM
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Here's a wish. Maybe the Grammys can have 2 categories for Hawaiian music. One that would recognize an individual artist i.e.
artitst performs in every track, and the second recognize a group or compilation. Maybe then we'll see more individuals recognized although I have no problems with compilations.
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/04/2010 : 09:47:22 AM
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To change any of the categories from what they are now would require a concerted and coordinated effort by Hawaiian musicians and others who belong to NARAS. There do need to be more cateogries. While I was watching the video of the pre-televised ceremonies, I saw how many different categories there are, for instance, for Latin music, quite a few categories which preceded the Hawaiian award category. These arguments have come about because Hawaiian music is diverse. The Na Hoku Awards and the Hawaiian Music Awards recognize the diversity of Hawaiian musical talent. That diversity is not recognized by those making decisions at NARAS. Trying to fit Hawaiian music in all its complexity into one neat little category does not work. When a situation is so intolerable that the status quo cannot be maintained, change occurs.
Anything different from what there is now will require Hawaiian musicians and others who qualify, to join NARAS, pay the dues, become active in the politicking that it takes to change something such as this. Otherwise things will stay the same and the same types of arguments and hard feelings will recur next year and the year after.....
Ho`omoe wai kāhi ke kāo`o.
Let all travel together like water flowing in one direction.
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Me ke aloha
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Pono ʻole in the Hawaiian Music Grammy Category
