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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 10/17/2010 : 09:54:45 AM
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Hmmmm... wait a minute: slack key: a small group of passionate devotees vs Jawaiian: a huge local listener base, massive airplay, and generally disdained by the followers of this forum.
isn't this the usual dichotomy between "folk" and "pop" music?
You got 'em dere, pard! btw, by that definition, real country music is becoming "folk" once more (that's how it started, ya know!). |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 10/17/2010 : 5:13:02 PM
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Yesterday's innovation is today's policy and tomorrow's hallowed tradition. No 2 humans can do anything exactly alike. We all have our "signatures". BTW, Gabby mentioned the squeezebox he heard as a kid in the Dave Guard interviews and he used an accordion for chordal background on a few cuts. Ledward had Joey Miskulin play box on "Waltz of the Wind". Aunty Manu Lono (noted kumu hula up here in the upper lefthand corner of the map) said that her mom played diatonic buttonbox. Bernie Simeona told of his dad playing accordion.
Style is based on limitations. Folks tend to play what is available. It is good to note that the instruments in a symphonic orchestra are all considered "folk instruments" in Europe. |
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
504 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2010 : 05:27:19 AM
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Categories in art are always porous, and Mark's point about pop and folk can also be applied to the kid music of my kid period, fifty-plus years back. Doo-wop was urban folk music, rooted partly in the polished arrangements of black vocal groups of the swing era, but adapted by kids for their own purposes. That I-vi-IV-V chord structure came out of Tin Pan Alley ("Heart and Soul," "Blue Moon") and turned into "Stay" (written by a 16-year-old)--and "Blue Moon" itself got doo-wopped and generally re-invented by the Marcels. My impression is that the records we listened to back then were cut by groups of kids who had formed in the neighborhoods and gotten noticed by local producers. Something similar happened to "hillbilly" music in the 1920s, and a number of American standards such as "Lady Be Good" are passed around gypsy culture via the folk process. It's the way music moves in mixed ("folk" and mediated) cultures. (By the way, Peter Medeiros told me that his classmates liked to sing doo-wop and Motown songs in the sonically-lively halls of the Kamehameha Schools.)
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2010 : 07:23:45 AM
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| Bla Pahinui is crazy for doo-wop and had a band, Jimmy & the Playboys in his younger years. On the Pahinui Bros. recording. he got to do a couple, and all those deep, deep, wo-wo-wo-wo-wo's were Bla. |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2010 : 08:34:52 AM
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…and speaking further about the endless and all-too-human need to categorize and then argue about it:
I have random issues of Sing Out! magazine going back to the beginning (as does Slip). And in every single issue there is a discussion of "what is folk music?"
Yep, we are funny monkees. (Hey Hey!)
Aunty Nona played the accordion, too. And Leilehua Yuen's grandfather played the banjo. And of course Sam Li`a played the fiddle.
Haven't found any Hawaiian zither players yet. |
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
504 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2010 : 09:07:17 AM
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With a history of German band directors, there's bound to be a zither in some Island attic somewhere.
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sm80808
Lokahi
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Posted - 10/18/2010 : 1:20:24 PM
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Originally posted by hwnmusiclives
So, if so many care what is or is not Hawaiian music, the experts should arrive at set of criteria for defining "Hawaiian music" . . .
define "expert" |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2010 : 03:37:17 AM
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| "Expert" - akamai at least a portion of the time. |
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Pupule
USA
4551 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2010 : 04:47:29 AM
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Originally posted by hwnmusiclives
So, if so many care what is or is not Hawaiian music, the experts should arrive at set of criteria for defining "Hawaiian music" . . .
I've joked about having a kī hōʻalu ʻūniki process.  Even then, there would not be agreement so ultimately, I suppose, we just enjoy the music. Listen to what you like and turn off what you don't.
BTW, I learned about being a master from the 1985 movie, The Last Dragon. It's so simple. You can tell who the master is by "the glow." |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2010 : 08:27:56 AM
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BTW, I learned about being a master from the 1985 movie, The Last Dragon. It's so simple. You can tell who the master is by "the glow."
"A truly inspired movie." --- Sum Dum Goi |
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2010 : 3:46:18 PM
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The mountain dulcimer is a member of the zither family. There is a dulcimer builder in Hilo. His phone # is in the 917 area, is that correct for Hilo? I thought all of Hawai`i was 808. http://www.everythingdulcimer.com/index.php?option=com_people&peopleTask=peopleDetails&peopleId=534&Itemid=
Here's contact info for The Kona Dulcimer Club. erawan @ ilhawaii.net
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"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2010 : 5:01:39 PM
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| Doo-wop. Ever listened to the chord changes for Pachelbel's Canon in D Major? The only thing new is the audience. |
Edited by - thumbstruck on 10/20/2010 03:51:01 AM |
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
504 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2010 : 5:38:16 PM
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Yeah, but did Pachelbel have a really cool bass singer going "bomp-bomp-ba-bomp-ba-bomp-ba-bomp-bomp"?
Let alone "a-dang-a-dang-dang"?
I mean, there's genius and then there's genius.
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2010 : 03:51:51 AM
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| Excellent call, Russ. |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2010 : 08:17:34 AM
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The mountain dulcimer is a member of the zither family.
True, though it isn't the one that would have made it to Hawaii in the late 19th, early 20th Centuries. That would be the big honkin' concert zither. Very popular instrument with German & Austrian folks, also big in Victorian parlors.
But there is a newer Hawaiian dulcimer tradition of sorts. Cindy Combs tells me she played in the 60s (which, as we know, was really the 70s). There were also hoards of hippies who moved to Hawaii, many of whom played dulcimer.
And of course Joni Mitchell was there inventing slack key about that time.  .
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Yeah, but did Pachelbel have a really cool bass singer going "bomp-bomp-ba-bomp-ba-bomp-ba-bomp-bomp"?
I was once part of a group that performed Pachebel's Canon a cappella... on mouth trumpet, no less.
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