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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
 Posted - 08/04/2003 : 4:38:24 PM
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OK, Konabob has started this with his example of and reference to a "virtual kanikapila" (see his posthere). The idea is that we choose a song that enough of us know (or could pick up quickly) and then whoever wants to records themselves playing the song and submits the recording to whoever has volunteered to be the producer. That person then creates a mix that uses bits and pieces from everyone's recording to create a finished track. Bass, lap steel, ukulele, slack key guitar, ipu, vocals, whatever are all welcome.
I've contributed to something similar on another site (not Hawaiian) and it's a blast. A rhythm track is usually done first and then used by each of the other contributors to play against so that everything syncs together.
Anybody interested?
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Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 08/11/2003 6:59:28 PM |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2003 : 5:22:14 PM
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Interesting idea,
I'd be willing to give it a try for just one song,
or maybe two. I am too short on time to do much more
than one or two songs on such a project. I have all
the equipment and computer tools needed in my studio.
My main tool (CEP 1.2a) can handle up to 128 tracks
but so far I have used only 24 or so on my projects.
CEP 2.1 can do more tracks but it is slower and less
stable on my system.
The rythym track is important and it would be best
if all the recordings were digital so there is less
drift and/or pitch shift of the tracks. Such things
can be fixed but it is tedious and the quality of the
results are not always good. The rythym track can be
emailed as mp3 perhaps and does not need to be hi-fi
(just time and pitch accurate).
The song should be a really long one so that everyone
gets to play a pa'ani. I hear that there are really
long versions of Sanoe and Salomila but we can make
a really long version of anything!
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Mahope Kākou...
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bluzdulcimer
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 5:59:50 PM
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For those of us in the mainland boondocks, a virtual kanikapila
might be the only type we get to attend. Lawrence mentioned
that we need a long song. What about recording a shorter
tune several times with variations? Is there a "standard"
song that most players are expected to know when joining a
kanikapila? Maybe this would be a good way for virtual players
to learn what to expect in a "real" kanikapala. |
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cmdrpiffle
`Olu`olu
USA
553 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 10:02:44 AM
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Hey Craig,
Count me in on this one. Sounds like a blast. Of course, getting this group to agree on a particular song may be .... lengthy.
Mike |
my Poodle is smarter than your honor student |
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
928 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 11:10:43 AM
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Somebody send me "Hawaii Aloha". This is about playing, not agreeing. Of course if you send me something else, I will agree to play that too!
-Konabob |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2003 : 4:39:51 PM
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| OK, we seem to have two songs in the running for this: E Lili`u E (from another topic) and Hawaii Aloha. I'm guessing that E Lili`u E may be the better choice but let's put it to a vote. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2003 : 4:59:03 PM
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I would go for E'liliu E as first choice, Hawaii Aloha second.
I can prepare "rhythm tracks" for both. I can take a well known version of each of these tunes and piece together several extra verses so that we have long rhythm tracks. I can then put the rhythm tracks on just the LEFT channel of an mp3 so that each person can add their stuff to the RIGHT channel. Then all there is to do is send out the rhythm files and get the returns back.
Does this sound like a plan e KonaBob??
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 08/11/2003 9:46:35 PM |
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Konabob
`Olu`olu
USA
928 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2003 : 6:31:08 PM
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Do it! I won't be able to get to the steel track for about 2 weeks.
Family stuff is coming up! I will keep and eye on the progress!
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2003 : 7:07:13 PM
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OK, let's just bite the bullet and say that we'll be doing E Lili`u E. Will anyone interested in participating in TaroPatch's first virtual kanikapila please raise your hand and then, after you realize nobody can see you, respond to this topic so everyone else knows. All contributions are welcome:
Slack key guitar
Bass
Steel string guitar
Rhythm guitar
Ukulele
Vocals
Ipu
Etc.
The only requirement is that you have the ability to record your contribution. This has the potential to be a lot of fun and has the added advantage over a live kanikapila that if you mess up your part you can play it again until you're happy with it! |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 08/11/2003 7:08:18 PM |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2003 : 9:45:46 PM
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Your timing is fine KonaBob. I for one do not intend to rush this thing. I only have a maximum of one hour or so per week for this project as I am doing 2 other CD projects in my spare time as well.
I will probably have the rhythm tracks done within a week. After that I will need to get addresses for all the "special guest stars" so I can send the tracks.
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Mahope Kākou...
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jmk
Lokahi
USA
115 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2003 : 8:54:04 PM
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I would like to participate. I agree with 'not rushing' on this--I have just started to look at the tab.
Mahalos! |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2003 : 11:37:49 PM
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| No rush at all...we're doing this on Hawaiian time! |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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BreezePlease
Akahai
Japan
86 Posts |
Posted - 08/13/2003 : 12:48:47 AM
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Can someone lay down and post a basic reference melody line for this? There are so many 'interpretations' out there that it might be helpful to 'fix' the melody, no?
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 12:19:25 AM
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Actually, Even though E Liliu E was one of the first slack key pieces that I learned, I do not know what the basic melody is since I have never heard it sung!
I am planning on using the recording on "Led Live" as the rhythm track since it is of moderate tempo and "reachable". I think that the melody embedded in the first verse is very close to the sung melody. I plan to repeat the middle (after the very start and before the ending section) several times to make a 7 to 10 minute version for everyone to play along with.
I will mp3 at LOW quality and with everything in the LEFT channel since this is just a rhythm track. You all will convert from mp3 to useable form in your recording systems (whatever they may be).
When all of you add your parts make sure that you keep them in the RIGHT channel and do NOT mix any of the ryhthm track (LEFT) into your performance (RIGHT). Make sure you convert back to mp3 at a HIGHER quality level (like 128Kbit or better) so the final recording will sound good. I need the returned file to have the original ryhthm track on the left and your stuff on the right so I can make sure the timing is correct by comparing the returned ryhthm track to the original. Sounds confusing but it really is not.
I am still looking for a prototype performance of Hawaii Aloha to use as a second ryhthm track for a second virtual Kani.
Any suggestions?
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Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 08/15/2003 12:25:14 AM |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 01:52:21 AM
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Ron Loo sings it on his lesson tape. You can find several vocal versions at Aunty Maria's site if you do a search on the song name. For example, here's one by Amy Hanaiali`i Gilliom and Willie K.:
http://64.65.106.62/v3/sbits4/1165_12.ram |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 08/15/2003 2:50:37 PM |
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Sarah
`Olu`olu
571 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2003 : 1:32:32 PM
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Aloha käkou,
During a lesson I had with Ron Loo, he told me that he learned E Lili'u E from Auntie Alice Namakelua who, when a girl, sang this song for the Queen herself, and was even "corrected" by the Queen on a few points.
So to me, arrangements aside, Ron's version of the melody and words would be the definitive and authentic original-kine source material.
aloha,
Sarah |
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