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Originally posted by Peter Medeiros

Keith,
Now that I've worked with forum code for the last half hour I agree that it is ugly and cumbersome, but your method is better than no method at all, and it kind of works. Ideally I would prefer doing this with regular music nomenclature, because the relation between the syllabic stress (accent) and duration could be indicated accurately. Any way this will do for now (at 7:30 AM). The best recording of this is by Charlie Davis on Everest Records LBR-5015 "Charles K.L. Davis at the Royal Hawaiian", circa 1958.

Mai pi‘ikoi ‘oe i ke akule lä
A he i‘a 'äha‘i i ka hohonu lä
Ho‘i iho ‘oe i kahi ‘anae lä
Me ka manini pülehu ‘ia lä
‘O ke kole ë ka i‘a maka onaonalä
He ‘ono toumi to ho‘i tau i tou pu‘u te momoni aku
Hui:
He ‘ono a he ‘ono a he ‘ono ‘i‘o nö
A he ‘ono nö

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Originally posted by marzullo

keola,

in listening to george's version again, there are two stresses in 'anae. in singing pülehu, though, the stress would still be moved to the penultimate syllable even when the spoken word has it on the first syllable? (if i'm not making sense, i'm sorry - he haumäna hou nö au..)

is your MS thesis on-line?

aloha,
keith

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Originally posted by keoladonaghy

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Originally posted by marzullo

keola,

in listening to george's version again, there are two stresses in 'anae. in singing pülehu, though, the stress would still be moved to the penultimate syllable even when the spoken word has it on the first syllable? (if i'm not making sense, i'm sorry - he haumäna hou nö au..)

is your MS thesis on-line?

aloha,
keith

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In words like pülehu, 'ölelo, etc., the primary stress is still the penultimate syllable ("le" in both cases), and the first syllable a secondary stress. This is a common problem we try to address. A lot of people will say 'ölelo, with all stress on the ö an none on the first "l". Hard to describle the difference without having audio.

I don't have copy of George's singing this. 'Anae does not have a kahakö over the first "a" in the Puku'i/Eblert dictionary, but it is not uncommon for words like this (three syllables) to have the length added to the initial vowel when sung. I wouldn't call this a mispronunciation, but an adaptation made to help the flow of the pronunciation. The primary stress in 'anae, however, would be on the "na", and whether or not the initial 'a was stressed/situated on a strong beat dependent upon what precedes it in the phrase.

Some words show this tendency with the addition of a kahakö after "nä" and "mau". For example:

ke kanaka = nä känaka
ke kupuna = nä küpuna

We often get into discussions about words like mohala and mahina, which fit this three syllable pattern. Some people will spell and pronounce them with kahakö, others not, and frequently will cite sung pronunciation to support one or the other. My feeling is that it is the situation that will dictate the pronunciation - what word or words precede it, and how the lengthening or shortening of the vowel in those words will affect phrasing. I've heard Almeida sing "mahina" and "mähina", and there is a pattern to it that I haven't had time to document yet.

Sorry for being windy. My thesis is online on Ulukau (look under "Other Books") but it is only in Hawaiian at this time. I did a condensed translation and submitted it to an academic journal. Once it gets printed and is out for a while I may post it online as well.

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Originally posted by marzullo

hi all,

i'm working on the phrasing of the second verse of "he 'ono". i've heard auntie nona sing it (*sigh*) but i don't have a recording to practice with. here it is:

Mai pi'ikoi 'oe i ke akule lä
A he i'a 'äha'i i ka hohonu lä
Ho'i iho 'oe i kahi 'anae lä
Me ka manini pülehu 'ia lä
'O ke kole ë ka i'a maka onaona lä

(don't strive for akule
a fish that runs away to the depths
come back to the mullet
and the manini, broiled
and the surgeonfish with the sweet eyes)

here's how i'm thinking of phrasing it. if anyone has any suggestions, corrections (perhaps encouragement to instead sing about beef stew), i'd love 'em... anyway, bold indicates stress and i've written words together to indicate singing them that way. ugh, this is ugly. other ideas on how to indicate this would be nice too....

Mai pi'ikoi 'oe ikeakule lä
Ahei'a 'äha'i ikahohonulä
Ho'iiho 'oe ikahi 'anaelä
Me kamanini pülehu 'ialä
'Okekole ë kai'amakaonaonalä

aloha,
keith

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Mai pi'i-koi 'oe i ke a-kule lä
1   2 &  3   4 & 1 &  2 3 &  4 

A he i'a 'ä-ha'i i ka ho-honu lä
1 &  2&  3  4 &  1 &  2  3 &  4

Ho'i iho 'oe i kahi 'a-nae lä
1 &  2&  3 & 4 1 &   2 3   4 

Me ka ma-nini pü lehu 'ia lä
1  &  2  3 4  1  2 &   3& 4

'O ke kole ë ka i'a maka onaona lä
1  &  2 &  3 &  4&  1 &  2& 3&  4