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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08/05/2007 : 3:10:16 PM
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I have found some !
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Edited by - Basil Henriques on 08/21/2007 10:58:34 PM |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 9:30:03 PM
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| Only friends would venture to share their thoughts unabashedly with you. If you were really not liked we wouldn't respond. You have a lot to offer may I suggest you do it with humility. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2007 : 12:23:03 AM
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There are others who should also take that on board and not set themselves up as self appointed "Oracles" and respond venomously and qualify it by saying "In the Spirit of Aloha"
I was responding to my face being slapped as in :-
Aia a pa`i `ia ka maka, ha`i `ia kupuna nana `oe.
* Akahai, meaning kindness to be expressed with tenderness;
* Lôkahi, meaning unity, to be expressed with harmony;
* `Olu`olu, meaning agreeable, to be expressed with pleasantness;
* Ha`aha`a, meaning humility, to be expressed with modesty;
* Ahonui, meaning patience, to be expressed with perseverance.
Nowhere do I see be untruthful and blinkered.
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Edited by - Basil Henriques on 08/08/2007 12:23:28 AM |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2007 : 04:55:25 AM
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Good grief, man...stop behaving like a spoiled child who has to have things his way and people will stop treating you like one. You walked into the middle of a well-established, tightly formed community; climbed on a soap box; and began announcing in a very loud voice that you had arrived and should receive your due adoration. Then you complained when people didn't respond the way you thought they should. That kind of attitude simply doesn't fly here, regardless of your accomplishments.
You would do well to read the list of qualities you mentioned in your previous post (I'll list them below in case you decide to go back and edit them out) and study them. Since your arrival here you've failed to demonstrate a single one.
* Akahai, meaning kindness to be expressed with tenderness;
* Lôkahi, meaning unity, to be expressed with harmony;
* `Olu`olu, meaning agreeable, to be expressed with pleasantness;
* Ha`aha`a, meaning humility, to be expressed with modesty;
* Ahonui, meaning patience, to be expressed with perseverance.
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My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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Pupule
USA
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Posted - 08/08/2007 : 5:26:31 PM
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* Akahai, meaning kindness to be expressed with tenderness;
* Lokahi, meaning unity, to be expressed with harmony;
* `Olu`olu, meaning agreeable, to be expressed with pleasantness;
* Ha`aha`a, meaning humility, to be expressed with modesty;
* Ahonui, meaning patience, to be expressed with perseverance.
A good reminder to us all. To date, I think there has been good discussion, albeit some a bit critical and/or personal. Clearly, nerves have been touched and feelings hurt. I hope and ask that this does not escalate into personal flame wars or vendettas.
If you do not like someone's post, I asked that you take a minute and take a deep breath before replying. Mahalo. |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 3:03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Basil Henriques
Unfortunately I would appear to have none !
'A'ole pololei kela. I do not mind listening to anything you have to say, and I'll take everything with aloha any time.
Oh yeah, and I have a question. Do you have an affiliation to Hawai'i Nei? How did this love for Hawai'i develop, being that you're from England?
For me, it came when I wrote about it in one of the stories I have written.
Me ke aloha,
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He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2007 : 4:16:42 PM
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Oh yeah, and I have a question. Do you have an affiliation to Hawai'i Nei? How did this love for Hawai'i develop, being that you're from England?
Alex, 'Mahalo nui loa'... I'm so glad you asked this question for so many reasons.
Hawaiian Music has been in our family Ohana since my father in law started the group in 1937.
Pat and I both publish a magazine for Hawaiian Music enthusiasts, Aloha Dream, and we play at conventions wherever the spirit takes us.
Hawaiian Music has always been popular in Europe and in particular the UK since the early days of 78 rpm records.
Of course the love of Hawaiianna is somewhat reciprocal, the last heir to the Hawaiian throne named by Lili'uokalani as her choice as heir, was the daughter of Princess Miriam Kapili Likelike and a Scotsman Archibald Scott Cleghorn, (who was governor of Oahu during Queen Lili'uokalani's reign).
Princess Victoria Ka'iulani was educated just a few miles from where we live.
Taken from the latest issue of Aloha Dream.(Compiled by Patricia Henriques from various sources) |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 08/15/2007 4:18:41 PM |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2007 : 05:48:26 AM
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Originally posted by Basil Henriques
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Oh yeah, and I have a question. Do you have an affiliation to Hawai'i Nei? How did this love for Hawai'i develop, being that you're from England?
Alex, 'Mahalo nui loa'... I'm so glad you asked this question for so many reasons.
Hawaiian Music has been in our family Ohana since my father in law started the group in 1937.
Pat and I both publish a magazine for Hawaiian Music enthusiasts, Aloha Dream, and we play at conventions wherever the spirit takes us.
Hawaiian Music has always been popular in Europe and in particular the UK since the early days of 78 rpm records.
Of course the love of Hawaiianna is somewhat reciprocal, the last heir to the Hawaiian throne named by Lili'uokalani as her choice as heir, was the daughter of Princess Miriam Kapili Likelike and a Scotsman Archibald Scott Cleghorn, (who was governor of Oahu during Queen Lili'uokalani's reign).
Princess Victoria Ka'iulani was educated just a few miles from where we live.
Taken from the latest issue of Aloha Dream.(Compiled by Patricia Henriques from various sources)
Mahalo nui loa for your response! I'm so glad that Hawaiian music is being perpetuated around the world.
'Alika |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 08/16/2007 : 08:01:58 AM
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Well "'Alika" although we do promote Hawaiian music, it's the type of Hawaiian music that Europeans listen too, mainly Happa Haole and Hollywood Hawaiian. Nonetheless, it IS part of the heritage of Hawaii, the Hawaiian tourist industry is the direct result of the Hawaii Calls Era.
So as much as "Slack Key" is the real traditional guitar STYLE, Hawaiian Guitar a la Lap Steel is still the signature sound of the islands for a lot of the world. |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2007 : 11:33:40 AM
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Originally posted by Basil Henriques
Well "'Alika" although we do promote Hawaiian music, it's the type of Hawaiian music that Europeans listen too, mainly Happa Haole and Hollywood Hawaiian. Nonetheless, it IS part of the heritage of Hawaii, the Hawaiian tourist industry is the direct result of the Hawaii Calls Era.
So as much as "Slack Key" is the real traditional guitar STYLE, Hawaiian Guitar a la Lap Steel is still the signature sound of the islands for a lot of the world.
I know, and that's just one of the reasons that Alana and I decided to start teaching these Hawaiian language lessons. On our calls, we give everybody a basic introduction to the language and then teach a few mele. So far, we've taught everyone "Hawai'i Aloha" because mostly everyone in Hawai'i Nei sings it and "Aloha 'Oe" because we think lots of people on the mainland have heard at least the tune of the song.
Anybody wanna join our lessons in the future? Please e-mail us!
'Alika |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 06:20:56 AM
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"Hawai'i Aloha" is not as well know over here as Aloha Oe, BUT did you know this :-
That Aloha Oe was written when Lili'uokalani was "Princess" according to the sheet music 
ALOHA OE :- some differing stories from Newsgroups: rec.music.opera
Lydia K.P. Kapa'ahea, later known as Queen Lili'uokalani, was a talented composer. Her works include "Aloha 'Oe," a kind of Hawaiian anthem. The Queen was indeed a fine musician, and "Aloha Oe" is indeed included among her works. She is the author of the song's lyrics, and it's likely that she arranged the music, but the tune is not original with her. There were several musicians in the Hawaiian royal family (in addition to adopted son Charles E King), all of whom studied with Henry Berger, a Prussian military bandmaster. Berger came to Hawaii when King Kamehameha V asked the Kaiser to send someone to help set up a music program in the islands. Berger was the officer chosen, and after his four-year term was up, he quit the military and moved back to Hawaii where he became a honored citizen and favorite court musician for nearly half a century. Berger was fascinated with Hawaiian music, and took it upon himself to document it. Like so many colonial ethnomusicologists, Berger's methodology was terribly muddled. Not only did he insinuate his own style upon the natives in an effort to teach them about music, or to write out their compositions more "correctly", but he also borrowed heavily from Hawaiian tunes in creating his own compositions. Nearly every original manuscript of early Hawaiian music is in Berger's hand, and it's a difficult puzzle to sort out what is his and what is someone else's. What we think of as traditional Hawaiian music is actually a hybrid style, combining indigenous Hawaiian music with German music -- not just any German music, but specifically the sort that a trained military bandmaster would bring: a certain amount of the classics, definitely, but also quite a bit of the popular music of the time. The hybridization process had already begun earlier in the century, with Lutheran missionaries who taught musically inclined Hawaiians to sing their German hymn tunes. Berger merely solidified the process. The melody of "Aloha Oe" clearly derives from an old Croatian folk song "Sidi Mara na kamen studencu". Exactly how this tune came to be adapted by Liliuokalani is a topic of speculation, but the leading theory is that Berger knew the tune from a popular 19th century Austrian song "Die Trdne", which is adapted from the same melody. Liliuokalani is commonly credited as the composer of "Aloha Oe", but it's very difficult to disentangle her work from Berger's. The original draft is written in Berger's hand -- which might mean that it's her composition and he transcribed it, or it's his music and he credited to her as a gesture, or the two of them collaborated in some way. Berger and the Queen had a very close relationship. They were intimate friends for most of their lives; she was his star pupil; and some historian have suggested, quite seriously, that earlier in their lives the two had a love affair.
from Folk Songs Hawaii Sings by John M. Kelly, Jr. This song of farewell between two lovers is the most famous of the Queen's compositions, written in 1878. The tune of the verse resembles "The Rock Beside the Sea", composed by Charles Crozat Converse and published in Philadephia, 1857. The melody of the chorus is remarkably close to the chorus of George Frederick Root's composition, "There's Music In The Air", published in 1854. There is a manuscript of "Aloha Oe" in Queen Lili'uokalani's handwriting in the Bishop Museum. Lahilahi Webb and Virginia Dominis Koch tell of a visit by the queen and her attendants to Maunawili Ranch, the home of Edwin Boyd in windward Oahu. As they started their return trip to Honolulu on horseback up the steep Pali trail, the queen turned to admire the view of Kaneohe Bay. She witnessed a particularly affectionate farewell between a young man in her party and a lovely girl from Maunawili. As they rode up the steep cliff and into the swirling winds, she started to hum this melody weaving words into a romantic song. At the top of the pali, a cloud hung over the mountain peak and slowly floated down Nuuanu Valley. The queen continued to hum and completed her song as they rode the winding trail down the valley back to Honolulu. from Chords for Croatian Folk Songs :Very close relation between the melody of "Sidi Mara..." and ALOHA OE has been indicated by Branimir Vidmar, Timmins, Ontario, Canada, 1978. Vidmar also indicated that the melody is close to American gospel "How Great Thou Art," composed by K. Hine.
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 08/21/2007 06:22:11 AM
A sign that I'm NOT as methodical as would seem to warrant regarding this material. |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 08/21/2007 06:23:52 AM |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 07:03:32 AM
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Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 07:30:38 AM
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Aloha, Basil. I'm going to have to spend more time perusing your Aloha Dream magazine. You obviously spend a lot of time researching material from a variety of sources, which leads me to a few technical questions about publishing.
Since you're based in the UK, what steps do you have to go through to get clearance for reprinting material from American sources, such as the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin articles? Are there certain kinds of restrictions that they put on you (reprinting for non-profit purposes only, not for distribution in the US, anything like that?) How different is it from clearances of European (or other non-American) material? Are you keeping a solicitor gainfully employed in handling your reprinting needs, or are the arrangements easier than that? Mahalo.
(Anyone else who reprints material is welcome to chime in, too, and educate me on how you get the OK for using these materials.) |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 3:23:41 PM
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Aloha, Gregg, An interesting question :-
1. Pat and myself OWN Aloha Dream Magazine, which in effect is a members only club publication.
Non Profit and Educational use is the permission we seek whenever the source ISN'T in the public domain, or compiled by our own sources. There are MANY worldwide in the Hawaiian Guitar community, recording and publishing industries that we're on cordial RECIPROCAL terms with.
2. Any excerpts from the magazine that I post could be considered "For educational Purposes Only" as that's exactly what they are.
3. The vast majority of what we publish is researched from historical sources and credited whenever necessary.
4. We have published 18 quarterly issues so far and only received praise from any "outside" sources we've used.
5. I'm sure that when you consider that we're a 30 page A4 FULL Colour publication printed at home and only charging our subscribers about $8 per issue INCLUDING POSTAGE, you can see that we're not in this for the money. In fact we subsidize it.
Consider how many days it takes to put the articles together, proof read, and then print. Each issue take at least a fortnights work by Pat and myself. Then consider that I used to earn $200-300 per studio session as a musician, and 75% of my work was as a producer at an ENTIRELY different scale, you can see that this is only our hobby, done with love for a community we love, to help promote the music we love.
Please don't take the above as being "Bragging" or egotistical, (As has been leveled at me in previous posts) I'm only justifying because I feel I HAVE to.
My position in the music world over here has been achieved by luck and good judgment rather than talent. But that's the way the cookie crumbles in this game.
It Is so much easier to be a 'Big Fish" in a "Small Pond"
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Edited by - Basil Henriques on 08/22/2007 12:06:09 PM |
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Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 3:59:01 PM
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Originally posted by Basil Henriques
Non Profit and Educational use is the permission we seek whenever the source ISN'T in the public domain, or compiled by our own sources.
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2. Any excerpts from the magazine that I post could be considered "For educational Purposes Only" as that's exactly what they are.
I didn't know if UK laws were similar in this regard to US ones - but it sounds as if they are, in your experience. That's what I was curious about (and I didn't take your answer as bragging, but as a legit and detailed response to my query - mahalo.) |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 08/21/2007 : 8:25:25 PM
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| Kapa'akea is the spelling and it was the name of her father. She was later hanai to Abner Paki and Paki sort of was her surname. Don't know what the K.P. supposed to stand for cause her middle name was Namaka'eha. That is an interesting name and would make a good project for someone to research why that name was given to Lydia who became Lili'uokalani after her brother named her heir to the throne. Leleiohoku another brother was first named but unfortunately he passed away. The former queen has been credited with publishing or writing nearly 200 songs. Her family was affection ately called Na Lani Eha, The Four Chiefs. They liked to spend time having song contests with each other and Leleiohoku usually won. It is said that he had a beautiful voice and he was able to put together excellent singers and musicians to play for him. These contests or jams were usually held in the Gold Room of 'Iolani Palace. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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