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Momi
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Hula Rider
Lokahi
USA
215 Posts |
 Posted - 08/31/2007 : 1:55:32 PM
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Originally posted by Basil Henriques
In the queen's own words, she said "Konia, my foster-mother, was a granddaughter of Kamehameha I., and was married to Paki"
Note that Queen Lili‘uokalani put her adoptive MOTHER'S name first whereas any other references I've found to her adoptive parents put Paki's name first. (Just "Google" them and see)
4 results for "Konia and Paki"(matriachal) and 33,200 for the names in patriarchal order
So Queen Lili‘uokalani thought of them as K & P , seems logical then doesn't it ?
To stop any confusion I'd better identify my source :- http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/liliuokalani/hawaii/hawaii-1.html Paragraph 4 line 2.
E aloha no - My understanding is that our ancestors often named the mother first, as she was the known parent. The father was whomever the mother so named. This protocol extended to hanai, or foster, parents as well. I agree with you that it is logical!
Other people's kupuna may have diffferent mana`o on this.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 08/31/2007 : 3:27:04 PM
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| I just want to offer perhaps a correction. Research shows that her middle name was kamaka'eha. I guess only one eye was sore when Kina'u gave the name to lili'u. I kinda thought it was Namaka'eha for two eyes But maybe not. Kala mai no ho'i 'oukou ia'u. Excuse me you all.. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Hula Rider
Lokahi
USA
215 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2007 : 09:25:51 AM
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Originally posted by noeau
I just want to offer perhaps a correction. Research shows that her middle name was kamaka'eha. I guess only one eye was sore when Kina'u gave the name to lili'u. I kinda thought it was Namaka'eha for two eyes But maybe not. Kala mai no ho'i 'oukou ia'u. Excuse me you all..
E aloha Noeau,
Yes, I put na/ka in the same category as who/whom - there are general rules, but there are what appear to ME to be exceptions which trip me up.
I THINK, and I am hoping to continue studying `olelo so I sound more cultivated and less kua`aina, that "na" is (as we all are taught) the plural (in general), and "ka" is singular (in general). BUT, "ka" also appears to apply to certain types of GROUPS of things.
I sometimes hear kupuna say something like "ka lei" or "ka i`a" when refering collectively to things. So, "He ono ka i`a," when the kupuna is looking at a whole dock load of similar fish, appears to mean "this batch [singular] of fish is delicious." Where, looking at one mempachi and one opelu on a plate, I think the kupuna is more likely to say, "He ono na i`a," "These fish are delicious."
So perhaps her eyes are being refered to collectively, or, perhaps it is another example of the simple explaination is best, and you have found it - only one eye stay soa!
Malama pono,
Leilehua
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/20/2007 : 01:53:09 AM
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So, Jack, the tab in the last issue WAS done in TablEdit, what do you think, is it better or worse than my previous ones in Logic ?
Mahalo Nui,
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2008 : 4:53:50 PM
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More with regard to the time Princess Ka'iulani spent in the United Kingdom An Hawaiian Student's contribution
It includes Ka'iulani's words quote:
"…ke kakelo o Dreghorn. Ia lakou i noho ai i laila, ua kowelo ha’aheo ka hae Hawai'i ma ka ‘ale’o o ua hale la. Kaulana keia hale, no ka mea ua kipa mai ka mo’i o Kalakaua i keia hale ho’okahi, a i kona noho ‘ana, ua kono ‘ia’o ia e kanu i kekahi kumu la’au ma Dreghorn. No laila, ua kanu ‘o ia i ’elua kumu la’ua, a i ko Ka’iulani hele ‘ana i laila, ua kono ‘ia’o ua kekahi e kanu i kumu la’au…"
…which describes how Ali’i (royalty) were entertained at Dreghorn Castle (from whose tower the Hawaiian flag was flown in celebration), and invited to plant some very special trees. Whether or not the tree Ka’iulani planted in Scotland survives, the spirit of the Scottish-Hawaiian Rose will live forever.
Mindi Reid (Whose article is paraphrased here) speculates about the tree, indeed it does still flourish.. The Tree
Mindi's article http://www.electricscotland.com/history/women/wh36.htm |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 07/24/2008 4:57:29 PM |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2008 : 06:40:47 AM
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Baz,
Thanks for bringing the article about Ka'iulani to our attention. It caused me to do a google search and I came up with this article on Wikipedia.
I was impressed with the beautiful painting of the poppy flowers with, what must be Diamond Head in the background, that Ka'iulani painted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka'iulani
http://tinyurl.com/58lgh7
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