| Author |
 Topic  |
|
cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
 Posted - 02/04/2003 : 2:44:48 PM
|
I recorded mine in the car while driving to work one morning (there was a long light). Right.
It took me at least three or four hours of playing over several days to get a take I was satisfied with (not a perfect take, mind you, just one I wasn't embarrassed by). That's not counting the two better takes eaten by my new PocketStudio (PS for short, although that acronym now stands for something else) digital recorder. I'm better off for it though (or so I've rationalized)...not only did it improve my playing ability but it also made me realize how important it is not only to practice playing a song all the way through with an ear for consistent tempo. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 02/04/2003 5:31:33 PM |
 |
|
|
marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
923 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 3:11:01 PM
|
quote:
So... the question is: "how many DAYS did this stuff take you?" Okay, maybe I should ask simply "how long did it take?" But, I'd bet for novices-at-recording, like me, that this thing became an out-of-control monster in very short order.
hmm? i was late for work, and so i only had time to record one take. 
seriously, the first one of these i did, for RMMGA CD-III, took me a good week and a bajillion takes. i was going nuts at the end. some of the positive points of the final version is from me being a bit crazy at the time.
for this one, i spent a couple of days learning how to use my digital studio, and polishing up a few songs. after that, i was able to get a version that i liked in about an hour or two. i recorded four different songs. a nice feature is that i play these songs a lot better now...
keith
|
Keith |
|
|
|
cmdrpiffle
`Olu`olu
USA
553 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 3:36:22 PM
|
Took me about 15 mins, one take, one mic, and just did a track no overdubbing.'
This is to see what we all sound like right? Not your Magnus Opus. The carefully edited many take, multitracked version can no doubt come out in a 'best of' CD :)
Hey John, notice the continuing fear of use of colorful emoticons? |
my Poodle is smarter than your honor student |
|
|
|
cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 5:29:40 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by cmdrpiffle
This is to see what we all sound like right? Not your Magnus Opus.
I don't have a Magnus Opus (at least not that I know of...I don't do self-examinations to check for them that often). In fact, as I discovered recently, I barely have a complete song. 3-4 hours is simply what it took to get the thing from start to finish without any major mistakes. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
|
|
|
Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 5:59:17 PM
|
Well, to set up the studio for recording, to move half a dozen
boxes out and set up the Mic stands, and get connected and
check the sound and levels took about 1 hour. Recording CB
and myself for about 3 or 4 takes for each of 4 tunes took about
6 hours including adjustments to levels, false starts, etc.
Initial editing (just cutting out all the crap) also took
several hours, so we used up all of Sunday from 10AM to 10PM
including meal breaks). I still have to bring the levels up to -0.5
db plus top & tail and other finalizing which will take several
more hours. Total time will be close to 12 hours or 3 hours per
tune, which is not unusual in my experience. But these will still
be amateur recordings in any case.
|
Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 02/04/2003 7:31:32 PM |
|
|
|
cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 6:50:41 PM
|
| jwn, I've had a lot of problems with the PS5, made even more frustrating by the potential the thing has to be great. But it's still young and still has some glitches to work out. There are too many features to mention (check out www.tascam.com) but I can tell you that the problems I've had include background noise on the inputs, problems mixing down to MP3 with some slower Compact Flash cards, and poor management of card space (recording over a previous take doesn't automatically remove the previous take from memory). I'm going to try and get a replacement from Tascam for the one I have and see if that fixes the input noise, otherwise I'll probably sell it and get a Boss BR-532 (this is what Keith Marzullo has). |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
|
|
|
rossasaurus
Lokahi
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 10:35:04 PM
|
I agree with CPatch; I learned a bunch by doing this recording and listening to my playing. As Uncle Raymond Says, it's hard to play slowly. I was surprised that my tempo sounded too fast for me, because I don't really play quickly, Anyway, new perspective on timing. And yes, a further appreciation for da pros.
Time spent, without gear, probably ten hours, and about 150 takes, really! but I just look at it as ten more hours of practice. In fact, next time, I'm just gonna record my practice all the time; something OK is bound to show-up now and then, isn't it! We can only hope, and jus' press.
Ross |
Edited by - rossasaurus on 02/04/2003 10:37:28 PM |
|
|
|
Admin
Pupule
USA
4551 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2003 : 10:43:09 PM
|
I spent about an hour playing in to my minidisc the first night. Then about 30 minutes tranferring the song in to my PC using cooledit.
Now I'm attempting a last ditch effort at a new song to see if it comes out better than song #1. Problem is that it's a NEW song so I have a tough time getting a good take without mistakes. After 2 separate nights of trying, I'm taking tonight off and will try one more time tomorrow. I'm resting the left hand finger tips tonight while hoping my right hand index nail does not break off (it's cracking). Yes, I admit I'm spending more time on this than I should but it deserves a decent effort!!! |
Andy |
|
|
|
RJS
Ha`aha`a
1635 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 02:54:02 AM
|
Andy - I just saved a nail with a "5 minutes insta-fix" nail kit from walgreens. Crazy glue and a polymeer powder you sprinkle over the crazy glue while still wet. Some sandpaper - It actually worked for me.
To all, I regularly record myself while practicing - something Steve Sano taught me -- I am some time mortified by how sloppy the timimg gets. Then I (occasionally) play a gig -- I sort og get into a "groove" and in a live performance where people are talking, eating, etc., the timing issue doesn't seem so bad. I even recorded one of my gigs and listened to the timimng and it wasn't so bad. Then I recorded my practice and it all fell apart again. Somehow I just don't get into the gorrve in practice. That was the same problem I had in recording. So what I did was to play a 30 minute set for some friends and turn on the recorder for the last piece. It's amazing what you can you when you overpractice a piece and trick your mind into cooperating. Now that I listen to the recording, I'm fighting the tendency to rerecord -- got to keep to my own advice.
Raymond
San Jose |
|
|
|
Admin
Pupule
USA
4551 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 10:04:49 AM
|
| Nah! It all depends how you define "decent effort". Recording something, putting it in an envelope with proper postage = decent effort - okay? Didn't mean to scare anybody. BTW, I found out that if you do 5000 takes, you get too tired and finger tip pain so that the first take ends up being better anyway. |
Andy |
|
|
|
Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1579 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 10:49:26 AM
|
In response to the "How long did it take?" I'd have to shuffle my feet, do a downward glance and an "Aw shucks, about 3 minutes." I guess I've been fooling around with my recording rig a little more than most of us. I have a room set up with a computer, preamps, and mics, so I can just sit down and record. I've put quite a few tracks down prior to this, although few of them are keepers. And I've recently started using (sharp intake of breath to indicate shock) a click track (oh, the horror).
My submission is actually an experiment with the click track and with my editing software - the piece is a few minutes of improvising, a few minutes of cutting out one section that was too loud and caused clipping, and about a half-hour of trying compression, limiting, normalizing, and reverb settings. I don't remember for sure but I think I left off the reverb in the final version.
Fran
|
E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
|
|
|
Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2003 : 1:00:09 PM
|
OK Raymond- Our stuff is done and mailed.
The first piece is Cynthia and her Uke for 2:24.
The next is me and my Guitar for 4:34. These
are the "official" submissions. Total time for
both is 6:58 so they meet the average time of
3 1/2 min per cut.
However, since the objective was to "hear what we
sound like", and since Cynthia and I also play
together half of the time, I have included a third
cut with Guitar, Uke and Vocal. This cut is optional
if you have the room Raymond. Do not include it if
you cannot fit the "official" submissions on the
disc(s). On this cut Cynthia sang but I did not
have time to add my vocal (I can't quite play and
sing this piece yet). Total time spent from start
to completion was 15Hrs for 4 cuts (including one
not submitted), nothing special was done to the
material, but I did spend an extra few hours
fiddling around with Ozone 2.0. Liner notes are
included in an MS Word document, and also saved
as .rtf and .txt (ascii).
...Have fun piecing all the submissions together!
   |
Mahope Kākou...
...El Lorenzo de Ondas Sonoras |
Edited by - Lawrence on 02/06/2003 12:49:42 PM |
|
|
|
RJS
Ha`aha`a
1635 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2003 : 01:47:13 AM
|
It's official -- George Kahumoku jr. lended his aloha to our efforts -- he recorded an instrumental version of one of the songs he composed. Now you gotta send in one of your own pieces to have this special collectors item, or something like that.
Raymond Stovich
San Jose |
|
|
|
Stacey
Lokahi
USA
169 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2003 : 5:11:25 PM
|
Aloha All!
This is so cool what you're doing here! Mahalo nui loa, Raymond!
Y'all & George Kahumoku Jr. have inspired me to get an entry together.
I've been scouring through everyone's messages and couldn't find this out, and I'm sorry  if I'm bringing up old, known topics:
Please tell me, are cassette submissions acceptable?
I hope so cuz I have no other means of recording. I know, I know ~ how low tech.
I know it's late to just get on this, but I live right near Raymond in San Jose and the mail will be speedy for this short a delivery distance.
Also, what's the address to mail it to?
I look forward to hearing everyone's works of art.
Cheers,
Stacey |
Edited by - Stacey on 02/07/2003 12:40:32 AM |
|
|
|
cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2003 : 6:11:57 PM
|
If Raymond can't convert a cassette to CD and there aren't any other members up in your area who can then send it to me...just a matter of timing (I'm in the San Diego area so the mail should be 1-2 days down here, especially if you go priority.) Let me know if you need my assistance.
|
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
