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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
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 Posted - 06/10/2008 : 04:09:34 AM
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I'd like to know the correct way of saying this phrase:
"The entire record album."
Using my online Hawaiian Dictionary I find that, "paleo" means "record album".
The word for "entire, whole, complete" is "holo'oko'a"
So which is the more correct translation for "The entire record album"?
"Ka paleo holo'oko'a"
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"Ka holo'oko'a paleo"
Thanks for the help.
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"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2008 : 06:52:03 AM
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I wonder if using nui would be mo bettah. I think -- well at least the way I understand it -- that ho makes the word a verb. But I am not sure of that., so maybe paleo nui or ka nui paleo???
Keola - where are you down under? Help! |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2008 : 10:45:26 AM
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| Nui would mean big as in inches or weight or sumpting or it could mean entirety. Holoʻokoʻa is a word meaning whole. The ho is not a causative in this case but part of the word. Adjectives follow nouns so you figure it out. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 06/10/2008 1:11:11 PM |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2008 : 11:47:32 AM
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| Al, thanks for the answer. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
haunts me sleeping and waking."
Mark Twain |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2008 : 12:50:11 PM
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| Must...use...restraint... |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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hapuna
Lokahi
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2008 : 2:27:51 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by noeau
Adjectives follow nouns so you figure it out.
Whats a noun?????  |
hapuna
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keoladonaghy
Lokahi
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Posted - 06/10/2008 : 6:44:33 PM
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I believe that pā in this context takes "ke" as its ka'i or determiner, like pā as "dish", but I am not positive. Usually Māmaka Kaiao showed exceptions like this but the entry doesn't show it. If I am correct on this "the entire album" would be:
ke pāleo holo‘oko‘a.
I can follow up with my colleagues back home on the ka/ke issue and will respond later. |
Edited by - keoladonaghy on 06/10/2008 6:57:21 PM |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2008 : 1:20:15 PM
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| Mahalo, Keola. I always appreciate the help. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2008 : 01:47:03 AM
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Originally posted by hapuna
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Originally posted by noeau
Adjectives follow nouns so you figure it out.
Whats a noun?????
Person, place, thing, idea.
And an adjective describes a noun. Words like tall, short, big, small, etc. |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 06/14/2008 : 01:49:11 AM
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| Now, please explain ho'o. I was talking to someone else and asked if it makes a word a verb or not, and he told me it does not. What does it do? |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
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keoladonaghy
Lokahi
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Posted - 06/15/2008 : 7:27:38 PM
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Originally posted by hawaiianmusicfan138
Now, please explain ho'o. I was talking to someone else and asked if it makes a word a verb or not, and he told me it does not. What does it do?
In some cases yes, in others no. The end result usually is a verb of some kind, but I can think of a few exceptions. Sometimes it will take a noun and make it a verb, or take one kind of verb and make it another.
Nani - beautiful
Ho‘onani - to make beautiful
The discussion of ho‘o- could take up a book chapter. Don't forget that the English concept of a "verb" doesn't apply cleanly to the Hawaiian context. Many words can be noun, adjective, adverb or one of verb types as well. |
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