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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
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 Posted - 02/10/2015 : 10:36:54 PM
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No, Not a new Quizno's sandwich!
But on "Endlessly", Sonny C. plays "Hula Blues".
so in going back to the Book Of Hanson, realized there's a transcription of Sonny's recorded version of the Johhny Noble standard. And if correct, there's a thumb wrap or two.
So, of our Heroes and Friends, who uses, or of past heroes used them to grab an occassional root or inversion?
Believe I've seen Ozzie use them, for necessary moments, and have a few tabs by him that prove it.
I would deduce that Ozzie could have adapted the Thumb Trick from time spent with Sonny.
when Mark and assuming Sonny goes to the high postion C7 chord, in taropatch tuning, It's Thumb on 6th string C, and the 1,2 and 3 fingers in an F shape,( but up the neck), creating a dominant (blues) C7.
I think a quick move into "Thumb Wrap" postion and back is so viable, and not a Cardinal sin. I really think Classical anchored players should reconsider this Cardinal Sin as worth the risk. IT's SAFE!
also, pretty sure Dylan TR'd, for certain chord voicings, eg. for F chord roots in Standard, since a full barre chord might have resulted in the crash of the Folk movement in the 60's. Also seen in Dylan tabs: F# TR for a 1st inversion on a D chord.
Probably goes back to the Woody Guthrie and Blues guys too. Or Aphrodite. Or Al Gore.
Sorry Al, I'm actually a fan, but the Thumb Wrap IS an inconvenient truth.
Now I do know, that if Jeff Peterson does any high roots that may seem Paganini-ish, (And some of his Left Hand work is worthy of Paganini)...Well it's NOT a Thumb Wrap. It is, as with many heavy classical training Gurus, JUST NOT DONE!
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I thing they ex-commucicate you from the Vatican/Berkeley Guitar School. Jeff will find a great voicing, without the wrap. It may involve and alien stretch, but that's legal.
By the way Jeff, don't go changing--your playing and arrangements are gifts! Incidentally, last summer, your mom and my wife had a great time visiting and joking around during one kanikapila! Karen really enjoyed that kabitzing that girls do and the spirit and fun. When you see her let her know we sometimes mention that evening.
gotta go back to bed, it's snowing and I teach tomorrow.
Mr. Burt, are you yawning?
Anyway, it's all about the Thumb, the Thumb, the Thumb...
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2015 : 06:21:32 AM
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I've been using my left-hand thumb for almost as long as I've been playing, through every style I've attempted. But then, I've never had systematic training on the basics and thus never had any good habits to break. I will point out that both classical and jazz techniques keep the thumb behind the neck for good reasons, and that for classical anyway, thumb wraps are physically pretty challenging, with a 2-plus-inch-wide fingerboard at the nut. (I can just about thumb low E on my Marin, and getting the A is a stretch too far.) Oddly enough, playing slack key I'm more likely to use a barre than to thumb a bass note, but that might be more a matter of how I'm visualizing the voicings and my own rather unadventurous arranging approach. I do plenty of thumb grabs when playing swing or Chet-Merle fingerstyle, mainly because the voicings demand it.
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Ahonui
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Posted - 02/11/2015 : 07:29:55 AM
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Classical guitar necks are difficult to wrap the left thumb onto the lowest string, steel string "folk" guitars have a better shaped neck for it. I talked with Ozzie about using the left thumb, he said that Uncle Sonny did use it as Kapila Kane says. I figured out how to play a 9th chord for a cool vamp using the left thumb. I've got it on some of my YouTube videos. I've always used my thumb, even in standard tuning, as per Russell above.
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2015 : 09:53:09 AM
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Thanks for asking Ozzie.
I was pretty sure, but this is better verification.
and my take on many of the more classical position players, they won't do a Thumb-Wrap even if they're playing a steel string. It's ALL ABOUT the rules of play one learns from...and, of course, THE BASS. |
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Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2015 : 4:35:10 PM
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Since the "bass" is on the lowest string, controlling the pitch of said string is important. Barring can be done, but it limits the cool notes found otherwise. My Dad used to tell me that when playing an instrument, playing clean and not hurting yourself are the important things. After that, the "police" are just trying to corral folks into their ever imploding universe of calcification and slavishness. Minds that refuse to expand shrink.
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 02/21/2015 : 12:51:24 PM
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Well, My wife tried to tell me I'm stubborn.
My answer:
I AM NOT! |
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Thumb Wraps (TR's") for Roots, use 'em?
