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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05/28/2008 : 11:06:08 AM
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Peter, that picture is from 1937, my wife's father and the group.. Pat and I are not quite as ancient though we probably look it..
How about my name and my wife's name in Hawaiian, Pakile and Pakelekia Henriques, nice uniformity to it..
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 11:38:40 AM
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Basil, it's clear from all your postings that your knowledge of Hawaiian music is extensive and detailed. You and I share a similarity, in that neither of us was raised in Hawai`i, but came to the music from outside, following our ears and hearts.
Here are some thoughts on what I have learned, regarding exclusivity and inclusion; living in the UK, I suspect you've had some similar experiences, yet plenty that are utterly different and beyond my knowledge...
The "local" community here in Seattle, especially the Hawaiian music community, has been very open and accepting of malihini with a real curiosity. They start out inclusive and offering of much aloha - which only disappears with great effort. In other words, you really gotta screw up big, several times, for people to stop trying to include you here. Otherwise, they can be pretty tolerant during a long, never-ending learning process.
Asking too much can backfire. People have been willing to show me a lot, musically, culturally, linguistically - but tend to get uncomfortable when I push with too much "why is that?" questioning. Better to learn by observation, and if I don't get it, I'm given more opportunity for additional observation, with the goal of my figuring it out for myself in terms that resonate with my own life and experience. No one is going to hand me the "answer key," because they know their version may not work for me.
Another important point for me is to never, never, NEVER claim that I know enough to earn entry to a particular level, or to be on an equal plane with someone who grew up immersed in the culture I am studying. It's not an issue of equality; it's simply a matter of being who you are and not being who you aren't. Despite my connection into the Island community in Seattle or in Hawai`i, I will NEVER pretend that I am "local," no matter how much I think I know - and several of the "locals" here have been given absolute right to take me back down a notch, if I play at being more than I really am.
I might understand a little Pidgin, usually in context, but that comes from several years of hearing it spoken; reading comprehension is a little tougher, but with time, it comes along, too. Where you are, you probably don't have the same opportunities to hear it spoken. But I don't want Pidgin speakers (or writers) to feel a need to pause and make sure I'm not being left back; if I want to understand, the burden is on me. I might ask about a particular word or phrase from time to time, but I don't want to be spoon-fed a translation - I don't learn as well by that method. The same applies to music, hula, `olelo Hawai`i, etc.
Hope something I've said resonates or helps you in some way; if not, feel free to ignore it all. |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 11:45:36 AM
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I'm really delighted about the book, Pat and I will review it in our magazine and maybe some of the folks who subscribe will be motivated to buy it..Can only be good for the business..
This is me a while ago :-
Some other interesting pictures..
This is distinctly British AND Hawaiian..
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 11:57:18 AM
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Thanks for the "In Depth" reply Gregg..I am taking on board all you say and would NEVER be as discourteous as to ignore your good advice and observations..
Sometimes my sardonic wit and vitriolic pen are misunderstood..
But my deepest heartfelt intentions are never anything but sincere.
I am in the process of giving back what music has given me for the past 50+ years of pro working, to all and sundry who just ask, I give.
Methinks it's time to "Lie Low" until I've absorbed the content of the book .. And then !! |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
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Posted - 05/28/2008 : 12:01:55 PM
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Kden bradda Basil,
you feel mo comfortable. I know you feel mo poor, but da Joe Hadley's poetry gonna make you feel betta. I see from da picchas you know Kanoe Cazimero and Gregg Sardina folks, so brodda you get mo connections den you know about. Take care. |
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PoiDog
Lokahi
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Posted - 05/28/2008 : 12:49:34 PM
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Hehe...I seem to recall the person centrally located in the photograph above. |
Aloha,
da Poi Dog |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 2:14:09 PM
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We run some of Bradajo's poetry on an irregular basis in the Northwest Hawai`i Times newspaper - mighty stuff, and a joy to read.
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Originally posted by Basil Henriques
But my deepest heartfelt intentions are never anything but sincere.
I am in the process of giving back what music has given me for the past 50+ years of pro working, to all and sundry who just ask, I give.
I believe you, Basil. |
Edited by - Retro on 05/28/2008 2:15:26 PM |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 2:41:32 PM
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Originally posted by PoiDog
Hehe...I seem to recall the person centrally located in the photograph above.
Likewise, and I also remember the "Moon of Manakoora" sung beautifully by a pretty lady called "Tootsie". It was 4 years ago but I recall we started out in G, found it too low, modulated to A and decided that after the solo Bb was the place we SHOULD have been.
Some very provocative dancing that night as I recall..
It lives in our memory as one, or more likely, THE highlight of our trip to Hawaii.
I also recall Aunty Genoa's Lady guitarist complimenting Pat and complaining about having to follow her !! We still can't quite believe how long they asked to play for, we thought a couple of tunes was all..I suppose it was the Guest dancer/singer that made us seem good.. |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 2:46:12 PM
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I Recall puzzling a few locals when I sang the verse to Lovely Hula Hands..
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Have you seen the real Hawaiian Hula
Seen the beauty of that ancient dance ?
Lovely hands that tell a thrilling story,
Of life and love and gay romance :-
This is it Click Here (Not me but Mr. Crosby) |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 05/28/2008 2:52:08 PM |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 2:57:14 PM
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Hey Sirduke, we love you all and wish we were not only able to talk/write pidgin at your level but to be there with you all, that is our dearest heartfelt wish.
No need for the sorry bit, It's fo sur the transatlantic syndrome, no huhu..
Many Maholos for your time taken to put me wise to the ways of the ohana here. As a musician I'm a kamaaina but as a socialite here just a mad haole malihini.
The Moe family were close to us whilst they were in Europe, but since then our only contact with the islands is by the "Net"..
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
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Posted - 05/28/2008 : 3:28:22 PM
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Gregg,
Did you notice that you rephrased the "ethical" anthropologist’s creed in your post (there have been many less than ethical anthropologists). Accept my admiration, if you will.
One of the important composite rules in Hawai`i, or anywhere else you care to meet real people (you can substitute place names), or learn about the real local culture, is get off Kalakaua Ave., get off that claustrophobic sand spit called Waikiki, get out of hotels, live local, eat local, do your research ahead of time, and never say much except to ask thoughtful questions. Never, ever tell people much about yourself, except the truth, whatever they want to know. Never advertise, just display what you can do without pride. No flash.Don't put yourself forward, be modest. Be interested, because you really are. OTW, stay home. Or be a tourist, in the worst sense.
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 3:46:41 PM
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Hi Reid, I get your point, just one question regarding quote:
and never say much except to ask thoughtful questions. Never, ever tell people much about yourself, except the truth, whatever they want to know. Never advertise, just display what you can do without pride. No flash.Don't put yourself forward, be modest. Be interested, because you really are.
Who is going to answer if we're all asking?, what's the point in striving to improve if we can't take pride in our achievements? The "no flash, Don't put yourself forward" etc. statement is probably correct in the spirit of Aloha, but restrictive to those in the entertainment business, as is "never advertise" surely those pointers you make aren't the general diktat of this forum ? |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 3:51:56 PM
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If you no like feel lef out jus jump in. That's what i remember being told.
But I must add that Pidgin is not an English dialect. It is a creole if one needs to be academic. Think back and place yourself in the Hawai'i of the early to late 1800's when Hawaiian was the main language. English speakers, Japanese speakers, Chinese speakers and Filipino speakers all had to learn how to communicate in their native language to Hawaiian speakers.
So, the first pidgin was a sort of Hawaiian pidgin where people spoke ungrammatical Hawaiian. When English was forced on the populace as the lingua franca the Hawaiian grammatical format was transferred. Only difference being the vocabulary moved from Hawaiian main roots to English main roots. Therefore pidgin is in and of itself an independant language that could be said to stand on its own two feet.
What cannot be conveyed as has been pointed out since there are no standard spellings established as a whole are the myriad tones that accompany many statements in pidgin. These tones derive from Hawaiian pronunciation along with various tonalities that come from Asian sources as well as the English accents that the missionaries spoke since they came from around the Boston area. There was a period where our monarchs spoke with the accents of Great Britain as well since the first English speakers came off of Capt. Cooks ship. Therefore it is definitely an over simplification to categorize pidgin as a dialect of English.
So no ack if you no know wat you talkeeng about haah! |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 05/28/2008 4:35:59 PM |
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PoiDog
Lokahi
245 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 4:05:55 PM
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Braddah Basil,
Jump in brah, jump in. An if you no can undahstan, jus axe somebody.
BTW...She (Toots) was my Letterman's Ball date in 10th Grade! I will see her next week and tell her I met you. Well, kinda sorta met you.
I will trick her into doing Unforgettable with me... |
Aloha,
da Poi Dog |
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 4:19:41 PM
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Unforgettable thats what you are etc. used to listen Dinah Washington's version at A1 Bakery by A'ala paka when I was like 12 yrs old and on da loose. The falsetto singing drag queens used to buy me breakfast and act like they was my aunties. Boy those was da daze.
Dis tread been good kine fun it seems to go on fo evah yeah? No can help if somboddy say somting dat spok da memories and da lolo staht running around. Lived a lot of life and the old thoughts are there to share wit you folks. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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Is Posting In "Broken English" a turn off?
