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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
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 Posted - 05/28/2008 : 4:30:14 PM
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Owee Al.
Too many deep tots, you wen ova da limit fo me. Ida dat or you gotto put space wea da new paragraph staht. My eyes old I kenna see good laidat eh. But I know what you sed was profound no?
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Originally posted by noeau
If you no like feel lef out jus jump in. That's what i remember being told. But I must add that Pidgin is not an English dialect. It is a creole if one needs to be academic. Think back and place yourself in the Hawai'i of the early to late 1800's when Hawaiian was the main language. English speakers, Japanese speakers, Chinese speakers and Filipino speakers all had to learn how to communicate in their native language to Hawaiian speakers. So, the first pidgin was a sort of Hawaiian pidgin where people spoke ungrammatical Hawaiian. When English was forced on the populace as the lingua franca the Hawaiian grammatical format was transferred. Only difference being the vocabulary moved from Hawaiian main roots to English main roots. Therefore pidgin is in and of itself an independant language that could be said to stand on its own two feet. What cannot be conveyed as has been pointed out since there are no standard spellings established as a whole are the myriad tones that accompany many statements in pidgin. These tones derive from Hawaiian pronunciation along with various tonalities that come from Asian sources as well as the English accents that the missionaries spoke since they came from around the Boston area. There was a period where our monarchs spoke with the accents of Great Britain as well since the first English speakers came off of Capt. Cooks ship. Therefore it is definitely an over simplification to categorize pidgin as a dialect of English. So no ack if you no know wat you talkeeng about haah!
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 4:33:41 PM
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Kden i go bak an edit da buggah. Jus pointing out wot sum pepo might not know about. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 05/28/2008 4:38:44 PM |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 4:58:27 PM
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Good enuf, I ken seeum now.
Da books yeah mebbe next month. Mo like July. I gotta finish up da final edits. I'm only gonna record some of the pieces, My hands not good yet cause a da neuropathy n not enuf space on da CD.
Da uddahs you can buy online from Auntie Maria folks -- the classics like da Red album Leonard Kwan; Sonny's Waimea Cowboy; get da 49th State compilations History of Slack Key Guitar on Hanaola Records (Mike Cord Guys); Peter Moon on Hula Records da Maori Brown Eyes one; n den Dennis Pavao on All Hawaii Stand Together. Get uddahs but I kenna tink anymo right now.
I gotta do one mail list so I know how much bucks I gotta lay out, dis is expensive.
Petaboy
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Originally posted by noeau
Kden i go bak an edit da buggah. Jus pointing out wot sum pepo might not know about.
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 5:03:23 PM
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No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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braddah jay
Lokahi
235 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 5:04:50 PM
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Howzit basil,you see wen you just talk story and go with da flow,like it or not you in.Only ting,do you like where you at.Me, glad you here,take care my friend,and post em.Braddah ed who da beag mouth  Rememba I wen already embarass myself,but if you like,can.Not goin hurt my manliness Aloha braddah jay |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 6:46:19 PM
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| Eh, Baz, no get fooled by "dialect". Hawaiian Pidgin is a separate language just like Lollans (Scots) is. English speakers think that both are dialects because they can partly understand. For years teachers in the US have been exasperated by "bad English" in the South and Lower Midwest that were merely holdovers of Scots. In the Upper Midwest and out here in the upper left hand corner of the map (Gregg- cue the seagull)some still hear the grating "Wanna come with?" (instead of "Would you like to come?"), a holdover of the Scandinavian laguages of early settlers. Yew yust haff to get used tew it. K'den. |
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braddah jay
Lokahi
235 Posts |
Posted - 05/28/2008 : 11:58:08 PM
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Anden you know I no can rat out my source bumbai shame I get lickens from one tutu wahine. 
By da way brah, I wen get you and braddah Duke real good eh?  She wen go plant wet smackeroos ontop each of you guyses bolohead giri giris from me yeah?
Braddah ed,you da one.Dat was one humid night,and my head was shiny.Now I know why I saw auntie wipe one fast one,and not from hair in da mouth.Kay you ready?When I was like 17 years old,used to live behind the shops on kalakaua,directly across beef and grog.Had two apartments facing each adda.This neighba across would get my attention by shooting one baby green guava at my door.He da one wen show me how fo make one slingshot from da guava branch.So one morning he knock on my doa,like he always did,with dat small baby guava.This time he ask if I like eat chicken,I said shoots.It's like 7 o-clock in da morning.He says let's go for a walk,and to bring my slingshot.So we start heading toward da zoo.Along da way he tells me to grab one rock,I say why? He said we goin shoot da chicken with dat rock,and if you miss,no pick up one adda rock,because dat chicken was meant to live.Dat's why make sure your rock is good,so you get good chance.So we in da zoo early in da morning,so early get only couple groundskeepas.As we walking around looking fo dat perfect chicken.A hen to be exact,he hands me a plastic bag,eh wat dis fo? Dat's fo put da chicken inside,oh o.k. So he see one he like,WOP man dat chicken nevah even move,buggah is gonnas,he walk ovah grab da chicken and put em inside da bag.O.K my turn,I take aim....no no, wat how come? Cause look all da chicks,o.k you no like make orphans.There dat one,so I take aim...THUMP I miss da head,so now dis chicken is spinning around on da ground flapping like hell causing one big commotion.I nevah know dis,but wen one chicken is outa line,da adda chickens attack dat chicken.If you can imagine all dem chickens running to our spot.Braddah I wen panic,so I stay kicking chickens outa da way,so I can grab dat damn chicken.I grab em,chrow em inside da bag.We start to walk out,but dis damn bag stay flapping around while i'm holding it.Now I really stay panicking cause dis bag look like get one life of its own,so wat I do? slam da bag against da ground,over and over until da bag stop moving.I'm all sweaty,my heart stay pumping,so we make it out da zoo.Alright,so we reach home,my friend willard,who's actually from palau takes his chicken out da bag,da baggah all relax,head swaying side to side,just how should be.Now out comes my chicken,pooting dat buggah wen suffa.He Had one grimace on his face with his legs straight out stiff as a board,just like he came back from da taxidermist.My friend stay shaking his head,wat? No can eat,dat buggah to tough.Now you know why I dive,mo betta.To you animal lovers please forgive me,I was young and dumb.Next time hit da head not da neck. There you go braddah ed,hope you enjoy.Aloha
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 12:06:20 AM
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I feel an empathy towards Pidgin speakers, the reason: Pidgin is NOT true Hawaiian language but as someone said, its bastard son or whatever, well, The music I play is as far removed from traditional Hawaiian slack key and chant as pidgin is from the actual Hawaiian language.
My place here isn't being looked for for myself, but more to be a voice of the far flung community of Hawaiian musical groups in Europe that still perform the Holywood era Hapa Haole song and dance.
Whilst Hawaii has reverted to its musical roots which is commendable, its forgotten that for 75 years at least the tourist industry was one of its main sources of income. This industry was generated by the signature sound of Hawaiian music as broadcast and recorded by Webley Edwards' Hawaii Calls and the Hawaiian musical troupes that toured the world like the Moe family.
Whether its recognized by the current Hawaiian musicians or not, the rest of the world still associates the electric Hawaiian Guitar as the signature sound of the Islands. Just look at how many groups there are in Holland or the UK, just look at how many "ALAU HULA ' there are worldwide especially Japan (Hundreds of schools with thousands of dancers and musicians) where I believe the Hula to English lyric Hapa Haole songs are still the most popular.
What was blatantly obvious to Pat and myself when we visited Hawaii was that the music and dance that brought the tourists and bolstered the economy, was no longer respected or performed. The tourist who traveled to Hawaii to see "Keep your Eyes on the Hands" Lovely Hula Hands" and the like performed, could only (And barely just) get those performances on DVD or CD.
Pat and I (as a labour of love) publish a quarterly magazine for lovers of Hawaiiana and the music of the era to which I refer, the magazine holds four conventions each year in the UK attended by like minded people. The gathering is usually made up of 15 to 30 Hawaiian Guitarists and their families, none of them Hawaiian but all of them in love with the Golden era music AND dance..
Please forgive this drawn out post, but I felt it was necessary for others to see what the "PERCEIVED" music of Hawaii is outside the USA..
In the late 50's, Mahi Beamer actually made the charts here in the UK and was simply played off the air on the BBC with his version of Ke Kali Nei Au..
I will at some later date start a post regarding the history of the European Groups, Pat is quite a historian and her article in the magazine are respected by collectors worldwide as are the contributions of our staff musicologists John Marsden (recipient of the Jerry Byrd Steel Guitar hall of Fame award) and Professor Anthony Lis. Teacher of Music history at the University of South Dakota. See :- Article on Steel Guitar
So, who am I ?, well I am one of the last over here of a long line of players following in the footsteps of Sol, Andy, Dick, Ernest, Billy Hew Len, Barney Isaacs, Jules Ah See, Andy Stewart (You get the gist).
Having signed a ten year personal contract with EMI records, I recorded most of my albums at Abbey Road Studios. Here are the sleeve notes from a double album compilation that EMI released in 1999 and is still available via iTunes, Amazon and suchlike music download sites.
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In the same way that US masters of exotic music as Martin Denny and Les Baxter transported their listeners to mysterious tropical islands and ancient civilizations, Birmingham born Basil Henriques and his Waikiki Islanders managed to re-create a similar mirage on these two albums from the EMI Studio 2 series. Henriques destination was Hawaii, the unmistakable sound of which he expertly summoned up from the strings of his steel guitar, an instrument that was perfectly adapted to capture the mood and romance of the South Seas - with its golden beaches, palm trees and dramatic burning sunsets - and transport it into thousands of suburban homes across the UK. Basil Henriques was, for many mood music fans, the main supplier of instant sunshine. His vast repertoire included favourite songs from films such as Dr. Zivago and The Sound of Music, old favourites like "Strangers in The Night" and "Moon River" , together with popular hits such as Dusty Springfield's "Just Lovin' You" and Acker Bilk's eternal "Stranger On The Shore". For the latter Henriques imitates the sound of a soaring seagull with his instrument, an evocative and atmospheric touch which evokes dreams ( or maybe memories ) of balmier foreign climes.
Edwin Pouncey.
Produced by Ciara Nolan
Special thanks to Rob Owen
Design by EMI Art Department
Maybe it not pono to post like this, but where else are you going to find out who and what I am? The musicians of Hawaii and their ohana in the USA are able to see each other perform and regularly meet to play and discuss music. Barely a handful have ever seen Pat and I, let alone talk story with us..
So Pono or not, it REALLY isn't braggin', just re-introducing myself to you as I feel an empathy (As I said) to pidgin speakers.
Just you wait 'till I get the book !! |
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ypochris
Lokahi
USA
398 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 02:48:42 AM
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"So no ack if you no know wat you talkeeng about haah!"
Okay, da buggah stay one English creole, no mo one English dialect- I no linguist. But I stay get one fren talk "the Queen's good English" he say, an mo hard fo undahstan den Hawai'i kine "English". Pidgin stay mo closa to "Hollywood" English den da kine he stay talk.
Chris
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Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 03:28:08 AM
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Baz, Jack says there are only 2 kinds of music, good and bad, and that he plays them both!
I learned the "back porch" kind of music. It all lowers da blood preshah. Jus' press, or "slide". |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 05:52:33 AM
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Kden, already one week laidat we still goin strong. Wen brush my teefs, wen change my BBDs. Git on da jockey, day no stay loose so I can brede n tink yeah. Dea I made one ajusment. N now stay dawn time da stahs still sparkl a little but can tell da sun gonna rise above Kaneohe Bay soon, no mo wind -- get zero tide, no mo vog, can see da mountains. Da surf stay flat all ova iz glassy, good fo go squiding. Get plany termite wings n da two lizads in da living room stay fat, mo betta dey stay skinny den can get into da termite hole.
My dauda when cook her firs big dinna, waz spiral ham wid da glaze n da cranberry n da corn n da rice n da salad. She ask hir girlfrenz come try, dey all dat age wen dey stah learnin how fo cook fo real yeah. Dey no like try. Too bad waz reel good. Da boifren come ova layda laz nite, I wanda if my dauda waz shootin bullets? Woulda bin safa if he come da house mo early – like dinah time. Anyway, I tink lifes gonna be good today. Whachoo folks stay doin?
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Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2008 : 06:28:49 AM
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Basil, it's not only outside the US that the classic "Hawaii Calls" & hapa-haole music is what many people know of as Hawaiian music. It's what I grew up thinking, back in my youth in the vague midwestern states.
It wasn't until George Winston launched his Dancing Cat record label that slack key guitar became "the sound of Hawai`i" to more listeners' ears (as evidenced by its success at the Grammy Awards, suspected to be largely due to votes from mainlanders).
To the majority of Americans not in Hawai`i (and not in communities with large ex-pat populations), slack key & hapa-haole are as far as it goes. They are unlikely to know of Keali`i Reichel, Makaha Sons, Brothers Cazimero, the Beamer brothers, Olomana or any of the other "big" names that we think of, and they are certainly unaware of Na Kama, Natalie Ai Kamauu, Holunape, Weldon Kekauoha or other more recent stars of the genre. (The only "Hawaiian" music they might know outside of those two genres is IZ singing "Over the Rainbow.")
There's even been a small resurgence of hapa-haole in the Islands in recent years, with competitions and showcases, but it's battling against a large rejection mood that went against that music as being not representative of Hawaiian themes, starting with the resurgence of Island-based performers and composers in the late 1960s. It will take time for hapa-haole to be respected for its place in the continuum - but it is slowly happening. Publications such as yours (and other labors of love around the globe) are helping to bring this about.
This board is populated by people who play and appreciate all styles of music coming from and connected to Hawai`i. Some people only are into ki ho`alu, some only into hapa-haole, some only into the "renaissance" era of the '60s-'70s, some into more contemporary, and many are into a combination of several of these.
No one is saying that the music you play, promote and love is unworthy of attention. In addition, you've posted your credentials, your background, your photos, etc., other times on TaroPatch. You don't have to prove anything to anyone here (though it may seem that way to you, what with the distance factor across the Atlantic). Your posts have repeatedly shown that you have something valuable to contribute to the conversations.
If you need confirmation that you are "in" - well, you are "in." No need to pull the spotlight onto yourself any further; that's not what any of this is about - and you can jump right in, play a song, add your perspective, joke with everyone, and not have to speak/type a word of Pidgin to be able to do so. |
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braddah jay
Lokahi
235 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2008 : 10:03:04 AM
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.Alright,so we reach home,my friend willard,who's actually from palau
Brah, one braddah named Willard from Palau? You almost lost me right deya because I tot you was pulling my leg. Willard from Palau. Hahahaha!!quote:
Eh braddah ed,glad you wen bring dat up.Now dat I tink about it,willard was from guam.In fact he got into some trouble once and nothing wen happen,because his fada was some type of big shot in da government,true story!But duke and I know one palauan name edmond,with da last name lawrence.Back in early 80's he da one wen train me at tamashiros,buggah still there.I used to call him sir edmond lawrence of palabia,for real no laugh. Da chicken,we wen chrow away,I know waste yeah.K-den aloha. |
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hapuna
Lokahi
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2008 : 6:52:48 PM
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Originally posted by braddah jay
Alright,so we reach home,my friend willard,who's actually from palau takes his chicken out da bag,da baggah all relax,head swaying side to side,just how should be.
Do you think Willard from Palau know one guy named Wills from Palau? He live Manoa. |
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braddah jay
Lokahi
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Posted - 05/30/2008 : 11:52:08 PM
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Do you think Willard from Palau know one guy named Wills from Palau? He live Manoa.
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Hapuna,actually willard was from guam,after 31 years my memory ain't so good.If braddah ed nevah bring it up,I neavah would have made da correction.Aloha |
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