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Retro
Ahonui
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 Posted - 03/18/2010 : 5:56:54 PM
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Tetapu/Kawika - just to be clear, in case the point from others didn't make it through ...
You are aware, are you not, that you posted my picture in this thread, and made references to the newspaper I used to write for - when you were "discussing" points with Duke?
Please know that I have never, anywhere, in print, on radio, on stage, in my life, ever claimed to be Hawaiian to even the tiniest degree. Neither ashamed nor proud of that, just simple reality.
But you can throw any label you like in my direction, it won't matter to me. Just be sure you know who I am and who Duke is. |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 6:02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Dana
Tetapu - at what point in human evolution does a separate group of humans become a race?
if you are referring to "Adam and Eve" they began as far back in recorded time as is imaginable.
a race is a people, it is a parentage, a separation, immigration. they move off due to maybe they broke a law, or were going to be killed, or had different ideas or opinions, or were of a different mind, or had a different law, or wanted to raise their family and live their lives in new way. maybe it was a different Gods, or different interpretations of what the Gods wanted, or maybe it was a direct command from the Gods, ancestral or otherwise.
a true Culture is born of real power, an origin, all native cultures around the world have ancestral deity, and the older the deity go back, the more powerful and omni-present they become. the culture is born of the parentage, according to their creeds, beliefs, Gods, and Religion
the race is a genetic parentage and genetic heritage from those original parentages of the culture and people
race and culture is not related to skin color. there are races within Eastern Europe, for example, who look basically the same, as it is in the Middle East, And even Polynesia.
hawaiians are one race under the umbrella of Polynesian race, the polynesian race is the ancient general parentage of all who are in the hawaiian Parentage
the polynesia race is yet assimilated under another umbrella. and so on.
but in each case, you are looking at a complete cultural genesis, the creation of a new ethnic identity
you could do it to. become the parents of your own people, and thousands of ears from now they will be completely genetically different, in the most fundamental way, to the people you left.
and it is all encoded and boils down to what is contained within your DNA, which is a complete genetic encoding of every fiber of your being.
and those things are passed down, as are many traits assimilated within the womb of the mother, and every whisper, touch, or motion the parents make which the child experiences, all create your race and culture
more than that it is your spirit and soul
you are not just genetic material, you are also a spiritual being, and a member of a family, a spiritual family of your ancestors, you have a literal lineage of forefathers with minds, wills, ideas, beliefs, and power, who guide you on a daily basis.
they in turn dwell in a spirit world, under an even greater hierarchy
your opinions, ideas, thoughts, beliefs, feelings, etc, are based in the spiritual dimensions of creation, the unseen but very real dimensions where the Gods have access, and the Demons and devils do as well
you, as you are, have exactly nothing in common with someone of a root of equal age, thousands of years down to today, with not a single common thread of DNA, nothing at all reall, one parentage, separated by a chasmic sea of DNA and ancestry back to the beginning
God has created the Races. and the peoples, and their religions, Iesu was Jehovah, Quetzalcoatl, Lono, The Jade Emporer, and many other Deity from cultures around the world
it was Iesu who separated the languages of the earth, and it was he who created all peoples everywhere.
there is nothing more or less to it than that. and it is not a matter of your personal beliefs or bleeding-hearted ideologies
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Originally posted by Dana
Your thought processes scare me - it comes very close to the Aryan Race/purity fanaticism that was used in Nazi Germany.
i think you are being a little dramatic, and a little cliche
race, culture, DNA, genetic heritage, Ancestry, Fore-fathers, the spirits and the Gods are the backbone of society.. no not your little "american haha society" of 200 years, that is the very definition of Babylon.
whether you choose to respect and be a faithful or loyal son or daughter, or you choose of yur own accord to join babylon, is entirely peronal free-agency and personal doctrine, but has no bearing on the truth of this Earth and what exists in Creation.
most importantly, is that cultures are created not only by the Gods, but for the benefit of future posterity.
Babylon is for those who think, feel, behave, and act in accordance with their own personal ideas and desires with a slavish loyalty to their own feelings without giving thought to posterity
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Originally posted by Dana
Finally, yes the Americans did wrong the Hawaiians, but I tell you, that Hawai’i could have done a lot worse in this world - if it wasn't going to be the Americans, it most assuredly would have been Japan, Russia or who knows what other Pacific Rim nation looking for power - and none of those nations where especially known for their kindness towards the annexed – just ask some WWII Japanese POWs on their attitudes towards the vanquished.
i tend to think the world would be a much better place if the Japanese and Germans had won the war
so what?
I love the japanese, and I do not believe that the germans were a race of psychotic lunatics. on the contrary, if you can bend your mind around the american flag pole for a moment, you might be able to see and understand why cultures who have a very serious very ancient culture with a hawaiian-like kapu system might think it was right to kill delinquent americans and their little depraved and perverse carelessness and lack of all reverence.
if that same war happened today, Japan would win.
maybe it will be China, who knows, point is, america's initiative fell away along time ago, and all they are now is a group of unrigtheous people wh still think they can hold onto world power
not for long.
were Hawaiians sovereign in those days, they surely would have joined the Japanese side.
I only wish Hawaii was Japanese
or german
Germans on the other hand were protecting their race and culture, from vrey degenerate and wicked influences
the jews may have been controlling the banks exchange rate, who knows, their degenerate nature gave the Germans their superiority complex in the first place. Whatever happened, I love the germans. and I know in my heart that they were not just some random group of murdering psychotics, they had their reasons. as any war does.
everything has 2 sides. always
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Originally posted by Dana
pre contact Hawaiian culture in many ways was a rigid, stratified, bloody, Kapu driven society ruled by Kings and Chiefs looking to attack other Kings and Chiefs for their resources.
i think its really only americans who have the no can do attitude ..
China will kill you where you stand for pakalolo
so will many other countries
america is a place where nobody has any accountability, its a joke, no culture, nothing. it IS Babylon
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Originally posted by Dana
One last thing - while the Chinese were a great sea faring nation at one time - they weren't the altruistic seafaring race you make them out to be giving "out chests full of the finest treasures China had to offer, and ask nothing in return", really?
you dont seem to believe that
yes, its true, Chinese are full of grace and eloquence, especially when dealing with outsiders, if they need supplies, they trade fairly, as a native american or native hawaiian would, when traveling to another place and needing supplies
without the superiority complex
they filled their ships with gold and silk and all manner of fine gifts before they departed
they built the largest ships in the world, just because they needed room to store all their gifts
europeans were given empty ships and were told to bring all the gold back
are u too blind to see you are in bed with the worst kind of people on the planet?
this is my non-american mana'o, and aloha |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 6:03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Retro
Tetapu/Kawika - just to be clear, in case the point from others didn't make it through ...
You are aware, are you not, that you posted my picture in this thread, and made references to the newspaper I used to write for - when you were "discussing" points with Duke?
Please know that I have never, anywhere, in print, on radio, on stage, in my life, ever claimed to be Hawaiian to even the tiniest degree. Neither ashamed nor proud of that, just simple reality.
But you can throw any label you like in my direction, it won't matter to me. Just be sure you know who I am and who Duke is.
ya alright, sorry, i made a mistake ... wasnt reading carefully or something.. my bad, sorry, really, aloha |
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charloch
Aloha
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 7:02:43 PM
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Led Kaapana told me that he met Joni at McCabes in Santa Monica once. He did not know who she was. She told him that she knew 50 tunings. He handed the guitar to her and said play this one. Without being told what the tuning was, she could not figure it out. Then Led just randomly turned the tuners so that the guitar was "out of tune" and played her a song (adjusting his fingers too the right places). Some Talk - Some Do
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charloch
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 7:19:18 PM
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 11:00:37 PM
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Originally posted by charloch
Every human on earth shares 99% of their DNA with every other human. God Bless.
yes, and 99% of DNA with chimpanzees, parakeets, and random space debris
we are all apart of physical creation
but we are also so much more |
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markwitz
`Olu`olu
USA
841 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 02:53:31 AM
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This is like looking at an accident on the side of the road as you drive by. You know you shouldn't be doing it, but you just can't stop yourself from tuning your head and taking a peek. But usually what you see is pretty disgusting, so you would have been better off not looking at all, in the first place.
I guess it's just human nature to want to look at a train wreck. |
"The music of the Hawaiians, the most fascinating in the world, is still in my ears and
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 04:01:07 AM
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Originally posted by markwitz
This is like looking at an accident on the side of the road as you drive by. You know you shouldn't be doing it, but you just can't stop yourself from tuning your head and taking a peek. But usually what you see is pretty disgusting, so you would have been better off not looking at all, in the first place.
I guess it's just human nature to want to look at a train wreck.
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just because i was thinking of rubber-necking today...
and while we are on the topic of human differences...
it's in fact not human nature..
i think what is American in nature often gets turned into Human nature, and what happens in America, seems to get applied to the human race, and what Americans see themselves as, becomes humanity
but its simply not true
alot of people dont look at traffic accidents in other parts of the world. they don't even slow down in China, there could be a pile of smashed up cars and it will hardly even slow down traffic, people focus on their own lives, and responsibilities, and taking things in stride, and getting things done.
i just think that sums up most of the above conversation
americans thinking they are somehow "normal" in the world, or that the world runs according to americans
honestly speaking, i myself couldnt believe how little i comprehended about the world util i left america.
the difference is unbelievable. i can't even imagine the kind of person i used to be, american, thinking i was at the center of the world, the epitome of perfection, as if america was the world, or all that really mattered
i really had no idea how degenerate and backwards and non-comprehending, and ignorant of the planet americans were at all.
and what I've come to see is the same thing the entire international community has always told me about americans.
they just arent even a tiny fraction of the world, its cultures, history, live, beliefs, reasons for living, futures, etc etc..
just really not apart of anything.
and their ideas are always trying to include the rest of the world, without even comprehending 1/1,000,000th of it
that is just an observation, and a very common view and planetary consensus
if you are angry with that, you have about 5 billion people to straighten out before you get to me.
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2168 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 05:36:35 AM
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| I don't think the Jews of Germany were "degenerate" in any way. Jews had been living in what is now Germany since they served in the Roman armies in the Rhineland. Some of them carried their German language eastward and it came to be called "Yiddish", still intelligible to most German speakers (Klezmer groups like playing in Germany, the audience laughs at the funny songs). In spite of being a minority, the Jews were able to maintain their culture and heritage over the millenia. Similarly, in spite of a world awash in "pop-culture" and commercialism, the Hawaiian people have been able to maintain their culture and enrich those of us who are interested. There are good guys and some not-so-good guys. Keep in mind that expansion on the part of some nation groups have been driven also by weather, disease, famine and failure at home. |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2010 : 06:57:16 AM
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| Jews degenrate? They served Germany well, several winning Iron Crosses in WWI. Then look at the amazing list of scientists and mathematicians, starting with Einstein, Bohr, Feynman (my hero) and others in physics and Georg Cantor, Emmy Noether, Rudolph Lippshitz and others in math. Karl Marx was Jewish. It goes on. |
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Larry Goldstein
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/19/2010 : 07:08:16 AM
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Don't feed the negative energy.
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 07:30:42 AM
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Originally posted by slipry1
Jews degenrate? They served Germany well, several winning Iron Crosses in WWI. Then look at the amazing list of scientists and mathematicians, starting with Einstein, Bohr, Feynman (my hero) and others in physics and Georg Cantor, Emmy Noether, Rudolph Lippshitz and others in math. Karl Marx was Jewish. It goes on.
degenerate refers to that which takes away from the original fidelity
and what exactly that entails depends largely on the culture in question
Germans were working as an entire culture, race, class, and society to rid themselves of the Jews, originally, that expanded to other groups later on
they were protecting their culture, the German culture, of which teh Jews are not apart.
that is degeneration, when your culture is over run by outside cultures, because race IS culture and IS important.
What is Germany without Germans, praytell, we'd all like to know
its the same as hawaii without hawaiians, the degernerate outsiders would be happy they have a terrific place to stay, and think they have inherited a kind of culture, just by migrating and stealing it, rather than being born with it.
it would have never happened if Jews had their own land, but they didnt, if they did, the germans just could have politely asked them to go home, but that's like asking haoles to leave Hawaii, or Africans to Leave America, or the US military to leave japan and Okinawa
and they had taken over society.
its much the same as if Black people had taken over every aspect of Norway.
its not their culture. those countries have real cultures, and real identities, thousands of years old, German is German, regardless if some jewish people adopted it, it is not theirs, they just stole it, it is not apart of their DNA or heritage or parentage
the Gods demand such things be clear and separate, otherwise all you have is babylon
and yes, the wicked are destroyed. and that's what happened.
do u think those particular jews would have been destroyed if they were a righteous people? no. neither would the canaanites, every man, woman, and child, have been destroyed by the jews had the canaanites been a righteous people.
that is the way and law of creation. it is far beyond the control of mortal men. All things appease the Gods, and Creators, or they are destroyed
and its a warning to all with a mind to prevent destruction of their race and culture. keep roots and identity, and keep righteousness at the front
because in eternal point and infinite fact, Ua mau ka Ea O ka 'Aina I ka Pono, and i ka pono wale no.
only in righteousness.
and the same as life of the people and land is perpetuated in righteousness, it perishes in the lack there of.
so be it.
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 07:59:29 AM
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Germans on the other hand were protecting their race and culture, from vrey degenerate and wicked influences
the jews may have been controlling the banks exchange rate, who knows, their degenerate nature gave the Germans their superiority complex in the first place. Whatever happened, I love the germans. and I know in my heart that they were not just some random group of murdering psychotics, they had their reasons. as any war does.
ummm, Andy??
This has gone on way too long and way too far. Sorry, but I do not condone ignorant, racist bulls*t.
Nor do any of the good people-- Hawaiian, hapa, white, brown, black, red, Jew, Gentile, English, American, and yes, German... who frequent this forum.
I am so sorry that this topic--which was pretty dang interesting for a while, has been highjacked by someone who is quite obviously disturbed--and I do mean in the clinical sense.
Mr Tetapu--
I'd suggest that you spend a little time getting to know history.. including Chinese history. Ask anyone in Tibet, for a start.
And try getting away with criticizing the government in China, eh?
I'd vote to lock this mess up and make it go away. It is so ugly it makes my stomach turn.
Free speech is one thing, hate speech is another.
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kihoalukid
Lokahi
USA
289 Posts |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 08:24:31 AM
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PearlCityBoy
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 03/19/2010 : 08:26:07 AM
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| I left a message on Andy's cell and at work. Can anyone else can lock the thread? |
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