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wcerto
Ahonui
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 Posted - 03/18/2010 : 02:52:54 AM
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Tetapu, now you really are getting ugly. I thought, obviously mistakenly, that our collective love for this music and culture would unite us, not drive wedges. Otherwise why would you want to come to this forum and participate? There is something you want from us here or you would not have come back after such a hiatus.
It is not a pi----ing contest to see who cn pee higher on the tree. It is not a contest on who is the most Hawaiian. It is about mutual love and respect for the music and each other.
The most magnificent and beneficial thing I have learned from Hawaiian culture is the concept of ho`oponopono. We need that here, now.
This is not a battle -- this is merely an on-line forum to learn about the music we love. One has to humble oneself in order to learn. One must admit one needs the education.
If you hate us all who are less than pure, why did you come here? Why come in and be the bully of the playground?
I don't understand. I just don't get it. It must be that dumb haole, West Virginia hillbilly in me that makes me so thick iin the head that I don't know what your wants and motives are. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Tetapu
Akahai
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 03:36:54 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
Tetapu, now you really are getting ugly. I thought, obviously mistakenly, that our collective love for this music and culture would unite us, not drive wedges. Otherwise why would you want to come to this forum and participate? There is something you want from us here or you would not have come back after such a hiatus.
It is not a pi----ing contest to see who cn pee higher on the tree. It is not a contest on who is the most Hawaiian. It is about mutual love and respect for the music and each other.
The most magnificent and beneficial thing I have learned from Hawaiian culture is the concept of ho`oponopono. We need that here, now.
This is not a battle -- this is merely an on-line forum to learn about the music we love. One has to humble oneself in order to learn. One must admit one needs the education.
If you hate us all who are less than pure, why did you come here? Why come in and be the bully of the playground?
I don't understand. I just don't get it. It must be that dumb haole, West Virginia hillbilly in me that makes me so thick iin the head that I don't know what your wants and motives are.
bully?
that 260 kg flipina/real hawaiian wanted to give me the pa'i
eh, I just almost finish with the songs in my ozzie book and i suddenly remembered he was making a 2nd one and just wanted to come see if it was out yet, or how to get it.. how much it costs, etc..
i was looking for some other book, and i also remembered Peter Medieros mentioned he was making one, i wanted to see about that..
i just forgot about the forum and then remembered it when i went online looking for info..
of course i leave because everything always turns into an argument, u know, but in fact, my opinions arent shared by many, as i'm more unique than most, and people always think that my opinions are some personal attack against someone, and then people get offended and defensive, and begin flaming and hazing and instigating and trash talking, and then it just escalates from there
it happens all the time, even in the real world, the reason i was able get out of the navy during war time was that i always got into fights, mostly just escalated arguments, because i dont put up with some kind of people or behavior
but whoa..
calling me not Hawaiian.. that's the cream on the pie.. i dont know, that guy is just joking or he's just trying to show off, or trying to overcome me or subdue or belittle me, or get some kind of something on me, or what, but, eh, thats the most ilo comment i've heard in my entire life.
and hey, the guy should answer for it
eh my opinion
i dont know, i think if you look back through the thread, you may hate my comments most, but really, most of the people just responded with outright instigations and lies to simply offend or harrass me personally
but hey, i dont expect you guys to see the clear and honest picture here, everyone has their own view point, and you may well think I am your enemy.
but I am Hawaiian, and of Hawaii, and I think of Nothing more than Hawaii, and the good and prosperity and protection and perpetuation of my culture.
but ya, its just a music forum.. but, people are bound to get offended, but i dont think people should hold back their opinions and feelings just because they are afraid of hurting someone's feelings, especially if its an important aspect of your life or why you are here.
hey, i dont care, you all want to argue that I am NOT hawaiian, go right a head, make a whole thread about why I am NOT Hawaiian and why some ilo who grew up in hawaii is, or whatever you like, But dont get offended yourself if i say the opposite, and I believe firmly its the truth, regardless of your opinions.
hey bruddah think I'm not Hawaiian, but, hey, thats like me tellin one Japanese or Scottish guy he isnt or Chinese guy, he isnt.
ok? just like trying to tell some blue car it isnt a blue car, just because I think the red motorbike should be a blue car instead, because i like it more
that's fundamentally offensive, and to say it to a polynesian, the guy, i dont know, if he like die or what.. and i dont know if that guy is just high or what, but that kind of statement he knows as well as I do is already nearing a death sentence for somebody
that's him being a bully, and a bulie, and probably trying to be funny
i think he just has no clue what a polynesian is outside of his little hawaiian merchandising center or something
the guy is dancing on one paper stage.
but i'm not here for fight or argue, just say somethings about what i see i dont like happening with Hawaiiana, slack key, and culture, MY culture.
i dont know if its a haole forum or what, i remember the first time i came peter medieros told me to watch my mouth around here, because its not "taro patch, eh local boy come here" but it means "taro patch tuning" alright, i get it, but if you are all so interested in Hawaiian Slack Key and Culture, hey, you should get some of the actual non-commercial, non-playboy hawaiian that comes with it
IMO its just like that
if u dont want me here, i can go, i mean, i dont hang around haole sites at all.. just mostly chinese ones.
its also nice to use my english freely , i live alone and rarely speak english outside of a classroom, and i'm under strict obligations as to what i can say, so its nice to come and speak my mind on a topic from time to time
but its no big deal to me either way..
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 04:17:37 AM
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I get it now. You are lonely and missing home. You have passion. That is good. One should be passionate about something in his life. Please channel that passion into ways to malama the music and culture that you love.Its not that we don't want you here. We want discussion without resorting to name calling and hate and bile spewing. Not too much to ask is it? You do not like it directed to you and others don't like it directed toward them.
If you like, send me private message and vent and spew at me, but maybe not so much in an open forum where everyone can read and feel uncomfortable.
Now tell us a bit about what kind music you have experienced in China. The Peoples Republic of China is a great mystery to most of us. I would love to hear of your experiences. |
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P.M. JR.
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 04:23:29 AM
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Aloha~
To those who know who they are, I don't see this need to stir up such waves especially within the topic about Joni Mitchell and her statements which I think we can all agree are false. Tetapu, I respect your very strong viewpoints as your own personal philosophy about Hawaii, Hawaiians, & what is and what isn't Hawaiian Music. I certainly do not stand at a position to question the legitimacy of your claims in terms of your religious beliefs and/or experiences for they are your own and as I also consider myself Hawaiian I believe that we (and many others including those on this forum) can agree on the belief that "Akua takes care." However, from what I gather, you personally connect your life and religious experiences with your proclaimed status of Hawaiian (King) while calling others or perhaps just Sirduke "plastic and lost". I may be taking your words out of context but I would like to humbly ask you where the idea of "Aloha" or your personal belief of "Aloha" or lack thereof fits within your beliefs. Please do not misunderstand my intentions I am not challenging you in any way but merely giving you the opportunity to share with us further a wider scope of your beliefs because I have personally sensed no aloha in your posts or your intentions of moving the topic from Joni Mitchell to a personal conflict with Sirduke. I ask you to share with us because I feel learning to understand each other is much more conducive to obtaining and sustaining a peaceful environment as opposed to attaching demeaning labels onto each other. These are some of my beliefs. I've lived my first and entire 20 years of my life here on O'ahu. I understand that I am 1/4 Hawaiian Blood, but also 1/4 Korean 1/4 Pake and 1/8 English, 1/8 Scottish or just 1/4 "Haole" if you will. I practice and play Hawaiian music. I am Hawaiian and I know who I am. You can not tell me otherwise or try to classify my idea of Hawaiian as being inferior to yours. I'm sorry but it will fall from the ignorant tongue onto deaf ears. Your beliefs are yours and I understand the passion and resolve behind your own way of thinking as I am in mine and Sirduke is in his and to each member of the patch is to theirs but I would once again humbly request that you take care in respecting the personal beliefs of others whether they be religious or dealing with personal identity just as I am showing respect to yours. There are those of Hawaiian blood and those of "Hawaiian at Heart" who would take great offense to your words. If I am truly missing a point please forgive me. I am merely attempting to act as a buffer between your behavior and future potential squabbles within the Patch. -Peter Moon |
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Pupule
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 04:51:02 AM
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Thank you, Peter for your thoughtful post. There is wisdom beyond your age in what you wrote.
I think we can agree that it is an interest, love and passion in Hawaiian music (and things Hawaiian) that bring us together here. Having differing views is a healthy and good thing. Certainly, it makes this forum and the world a more interesting place. I just hope that we can all share our opinions, thoughts and views here openly while at the same time respecting one another. |
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Turtle Song
Aloha
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 08:15:39 AM
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I'm not of Hawaiian blood, but I love Ki ho 'alu. Did the first time I heard it 30 years ago.
I'm not of Hawaiian blood, but I feel an intense connect when I'm hiking the petroglyph trail.
I'm not of Hawaiian blood, but my soul feels at home when the trade winds gently kiss my face.
I feel a deep love and respect for Queen Lili'uokalani.
I'm not of Hawaiian blood, but I heard IZ refer to people in his audience as "Hawaiian" and "Hawaiian at heart."
I'm not of Hawaiian blood, but Auntie Nona called me "Darling."
I'm blessed.
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The seeds for the flowering of our personal peace are within our hopeful, but fragmented, selves. Reflection and silence compose the winds that nurture our simplicity that is the essence of beauty. - Frank Howell
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PearlCityBoy
Lokahi
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 10:14:50 AM
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Damn, forgot how handsome Bruddah Gregg was, even if it was a case of mistaken identity  .
OK to have spirited debates, but let's keep things civil and respectful on the 'Patch. No need to get personal. We may not always agree, but if we listen first, reflect, and come from a place of aloha, we might become more enlightened and maybe make a few friends along the way.
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 1:56:16 PM
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Man, I leave town for a couple of days, and look what I missed.
Yep, here we go again.
While I appreciate that some folks have strong opinions about.... well, just about any subject he or she is passionate about, I really can't understand the need to slag someone else in a public--or private -- forum because they do not happen to conform to your particular sense of ... well, whatever the heck it is.
As someone who has been slammed more than once by self-appointed keepers of the tradition -- any tradition: Hawaiian, Irish, Old Time, Gypsy Jazz, Appalachian--- I can only say that I feel sorry for anyone without the eyes to see that we are all, regardless of our ethnic make up, cultural heritage, skin color, language, place of residence, eye shape, age, gender or musical proclivities, one people.
I happen to like that about us humans. I am much more interested in what brings us together than it what keeps it apart. That's why I play music--so I can share a little bit of who I am and learn a little about who you are.
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Tetapu
Akahai
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 2:08:51 PM
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Now tell us a bit about what kind music you have experienced in China. The Peoples Republic of China is a great mystery to most of us. I would love to hear of your experiences.
i didnt see the PM thing, i was actually looking for it earlier in the thread.. but didnt see anything about it, or i would have taken most of those posts to the PM
Chinese music is the most beautiful in the world, in my opinion. the lyrics are all so powerful that you are guaranteed to cry during half the songs. I really don't know how Chinese people do it, but most of the stories and songs in China are so gut wrenching and painful and just so full of the truest love imaginable, that i cry all the time, but they don't. though i do see them clearing their throat or sinuses alot at those moments.. it's their culture, they are accustomed to accepting that sort of pain and its a deep part of their identity and daily life, history, and culture.
if you want inspiration for truly great songs, like the epic variety that come along only once every 10 years or so in America, then just translate some Chinese songs into English. but i think the meaning and significance may be mostly lost in the translation..
but its very similar to Hawaiian music and grammar is similar, so maybe translating the into Hawaiian songs is a better route, but may be a little outside the culture and maybe not so meaningful.
u know, there's a reason they're mysterious and don't need anything from the outside world, everything else pales in comparison, and is just plastic cheap stuff compared with their own meaning and culture, at least to them, Japanese probably feel the same way about their own culture, and Koreans as well..
and i just listen to the Mandarin songs from the Mainland and Taiwan, the Cantonese songs mostly from HongKong I don't understand much of, but the mainland songs are so meaningful, and Taiwan Mandarin songs too, though Taiwan seems a little more 'westernized' in some of their songs and lyrics
if it doesnt have meaning which pulls your heart apart, they don't seem to make it.
i thought about making a Podcast that was just about mandarin music, with translations and pinyin etc subtitled onto an MP4 music video of each song, but I'd have to charge for that so the original artist gets royalties on each song. i dont think i can just steal their songs, though I know they wouldnt mind, but the americans dont allow it, so, it should go both ways.
but there are are alot of songs with chords and tabs on http://www.jitapu.com/ but i dont know if that would help you if you haven't heard the song before
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olu143
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 2:27:56 PM
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Aloha everybody!
I agree with Doug. And Auntie Wanda. A Ho'oponopono session would be good if it could be achieved. I believe in the term agree to disagree but this here...is not the way I think anyone's Kupuna would teach them. Be it the old way or the modern.
While I may not agree with all the views being expressed here I do try to understand where and why this way of thinking is coming from. It helps me to better understand my own personal understanding of what is and what is not.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if we're going to disagree we should agree to disagree as everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. That's what I got out of this discussion anyways!
Braddah Kawika: Mahalo for sharing your mana'o and your views on music, religion, and culture. It gave me a new view on things that I myself being Kanaka Maoli never really took the time to learn. Perhaps now I will.
Braddah Duke: The man whom I consider to be a proponent of what it means to be Hawaiian and one of the most humblest Kanaka Maoli I have ever met (yes I said Humblest! Lol!) Thank you for sharing your talent with not only me but the rest of the world as well. To take what you have learned that is uniquely indigenous to Hawaii and share that with the world to me is pono.
(Ki ho 'alu)
You both have interesting views of which I have gained a little more insight into not only music but myself as well.
Mahalo Nui Aloha,
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 3:03:34 PM
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Aloha~
I may be taking your words out of context but I would like to humbly ask you where the idea of "Aloha" or your personal belief of "Aloha" or lack thereof fits within your beliefs. -Peter Moon
i had a dream (Hawaiian kine) that i was going to answer this question today.
and it's a fair question.
but it's also going to get alot of people angry no doubt.
first off, let me just start by saying that I do not believe we are all "one people"
we are different Races. Races and Cultures, and Creeds, and Ancestors, and Pantheons of Deity, different traditions, religions, ancestors, ancestral spirits, Primordial beliefs, different DNA, different heart, mind, and Soul
DNA is a complete cultural and genetic heritage. You are nothing except for the sum of all your ancestors decisions, cultures, beliefs, movements, actions, etc. your DNA is your heart, mind, soul, and body, and it dictates your fight or flight response, your ability to learn or perform various physical tasks, your desires and interests even. People will grow to become like their parents, inevitably, even if they spend the majority of their lives away from their parents. two twins, if raised separately, will have much of the same interests, likes, and behavior patterns and even feelings and opinions
you are of a tree. the tree has its branches, and bears a certain fruit, that fruit is you, that tree is your ancestors and your race
that tree is no way similar to the tree which bears another fruit; of another race.
if fruit from one tree falls off and rolls into hawaii, and lands next tot he fruit of another tree that has also fallen off and landed in hawaii, and they sit and live together, they are in no way the same fruit, and they are as separate as the roots and stump of their parental ethnic trees
The Creator has separated people into races and trees, and we are all apart of his Orchard. but that's about all we have in common. he tends to different trees at different times and in different ways, nurturing them on an individual basis
and the Creator is a "Racist" as I am a "Racist" in the same way a Piano player is a "pianist", and a singer is a "Vocalist"
we are of Race. and Race is the most fundamental part of your identity. and if you have more than one race, you are not some mixed up new thing, you have the fundamental identity of several races which you must learn to balance and appease, and live in accordance with that truth of the races, and learn from them all
ONLY in america has "race" been labeled a bad thing, which a a very evil and debauched characteristic of Babylon
and anyone who mentions their race is attacked, because America wants to strip everyone of their race, ethnicity, ancestors, deity, culture, and power. and this only so the white people can find a way to coexist with the black people
well hey, that is an issue for white and black americans only.. if they want to throw away their ancestors and DNA and Genetic Heeritage and Identity so they can sleep with each other, i dont care. I am not one of them
here in there restof the world, China, Japan, Korea, India, Scandinavia, Easter Europe, Russia, throughout the Middle East, withint the Muslem world, in Israel among Jews, on the Native North American Reservations, among the rest of the Polynesian islands, The more beautiful and most choice lands in New Zealand given for the Native Maori people to own and rule sovereignly, all throughout Micronesia, Melanesia, and all of Africa, and western Europe, your race is everything , i mean EVERYTHING.
Hawaiians have been and are being destroyed and beguiled by Americans. its some sick anomaly, IMO
Hawaiians have been negatively affected in almost every way by Americans and their depraved ideologies
in the early days it was perverted sailors, rapists, exploiters and thieves. then we have Female Hula to be the little entertainers of the foreigners. Why were the Tongan islands known as the Friendly Islands in those days? because they were being generous to the foreigners, the same as Chinese are doing now, tolerating the forefingers coming to china to simply pervert their ways, foreigners are selfish, they molest young boys, the pedophiles come and destroy the culture, they turn the girls into destroyed and shattered lives, because they want to be polite and make the foreigners feel welcome, and show their generosity and grace.
it is not within our own polynesian cultures to destroy ourselves, and to live our lives contradictory to our ancestors beliefs and the Gods of our fathers and race. they do it because they are loving people, with a loving and generous spirit, innocent and pure.
but the foreigners are calculating, perverse, corrupt, degenerate, exploiters and selfish people who care only about their own desires and themselves. the Asian people look inward, focusing on themselves, and creating harmony with their community, as hawaiians are also consumed with their own lives before their deity and their kapu system and traditions and their lives are one of very pure hearted actions
the foreigners focus outward, never looking within themselves, accountable to nobody, steal and exploit the natives for all they can get, without giving anything of worth or value back, completely destroying native cultures around the world.
The Chinese sea voyagers were among the mightiest in the world. they would stop off at the poorest and meekest of countries, the most primitive of people, and they would give out chests full of the finest treasures China had to offer, and ask nothing in return, treasures the Europeans couldn't even dream of obtaining
Europeans gave rusty useless nails for everything their hearts desired. being in the US Navy for me was just like being surrounded by those guys, no culture, do and say anything, perverse, degenerate, exploiters. I came to China to be far away from the US Military bases around the world, and protected from their degenerate delinquencies.
I love China, through and through
Aloha is in the hearts of the Kupuna, and all the ancient hawaiians, it is the way of the hawaiian people, the root of our culture, and the spirit which carried us across the great oceans. They have the Aloha. do you see them cracking smiles and busting shakas? no way.
do u see them embracing any kine haoles? NO WAY
Aloha is a deep meaning, which cannot be translated directly into english as "love", in fact, you must know hawaiian culture deeply, and the entire hawaiian language, and all the stories, customs and traditions, before you can even begin to grasp the scope and powerful meaning of what Aloha truly is.
Aloha is not something that everyone in hawaii can have. It's not something that any kine local person has.
Aloha is distinctly and uniquely hawaiian, and resides and exists only in the hearts of hawaiians as it applies to their ancient Gods, Beliefs, Culture, and traditions, it's inseparable from hawaiian identity
you can't commercialize it, throw it on a t-shirt, and think that u get it, just because you throw the shakas
you think what they get is Aloha, but its not, its something that was left over from the degenerate 60's and 70's era when everyone was doing drugs, and trying to be open-minded and running around naked and giddy about it.
that's not aloha, that is hippy blasphemy an abomination to the Gods of Hawaii
this is the ultimate truth: No Hawaiians, No Aloha
i dont care how sweet the filipina, No Hawaiians, NO ALOHA
that is My Hawaiian mana'o on the subject of what is Aloha.
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/18/2010 4:01:41 PM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 4:16:51 PM
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and another little note to that, if you want to see What hawaiians used to be, and what they really are, and should be, you have to travel to the rest of Polynesia, and see the people, and look at their deeper more ancient cultures.. the people of Tonga, Samoa, Marquesa, Rapanui, Aotearoa, Cook Islands, Tahiti, Tuvalu. Tekelau, Tuamotu, etc,
honestly, i feel sometimes hawaii isnt even Polynesia, like its not even polynesian, and not even Hawaiian, like its just another state in america. just american only
it really is. the foreigners OWN hawiians and hawaii, totally and completely. and anything said or done for hawaiians will be dealt with by incarceration
and i feel like locals are just like spies for the US Government, watching hawaiians, and keeping them in their place, working against hawaiians and hawaiian sovereignty, like just being local, but when it comes down to it, they will just turn against hawaiians, if forced to choose between a Sovereign hawaiian owned land and them being American citizens
so i dont really have alot of respect for 'locals' or local style stuff
i just see all of that as destroying our people, heritage, culture, and status..
we are Polynesians.. we may be alot more mix blooded, but we are the same as all the Polynesians
we are a conquered people, we are not American, we are exploited and decimated.
we are of Polynesia, only
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 4:39:30 PM
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i have to say, Peter Moon, that I am very happy to see you following in the footsteps of your father.
The Sunday Manoa created some of the greatest albums ever recorded in the history of music
i dont think i could find any albums i like better. in fact, i'm sure of it. they are the best ever made.
i grew up with those old vinyl records, from as far back as I can remember. it was like my only real tie to hawaii growing up on the mainland. there is no albums more meaningful to me than The Sunday Manoa. period
I haven't heard your songs really.. but I am very pleased to see you performing true Hawaiian music. Because you are young, you are the future of Hawaii, and so many young Hawaiian artists just sing the Jawaiian kind of music, which i feel is degenerate and destructive to our Hawaiian people and Hawaiian culture.
I hope you continue to rise in your path, and become a leader of Hawaii's youth and future. I hope you become to Hawaiian Music what Damian Marley has become to Reggae, a real fundamental realignment and rejuvenation, a warrior for culture and roots.
and its my mana'olana that as you grow, that pomaika'i 'oe to help your land and people. and you will think Olelo Hawaii i 'oi a'e for all your songs, and you rise to be a True Hawaiian chief, in the manner of Dennis Pavao, or IZ, and stay Ku ikaika as the older generations pass on
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Dana
Akahai
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 5:15:04 PM
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Tetapu - at what point in human evolution does a separate group of humans become a race? Wasn't Hawai'i populated at different times by various waves of settlers from different parts of Polynesia, and each successive wave of migration bringing about changes to the population, both genetically as well as culturally? If my history serves me correct, some of these migrations (pre contact) were not very kind to the existing populations either – with bloody battles and subjugation of the indigenous populations. At what point did the resulting intermarriages and cultural intermingling become the Hawaiian race?
Your thought processes scare me - it comes very close to the Aryan Race/purity fanaticism that was used in Nazi Germany. Flip it around where I am more Hawaiian than you and it results in violence against others in Hawai'i for not being Hawaiian enough - something I found interesting growing up because I had more Hawaiian blood in me than those telling me I wasn't Hawaiian.
Finally, yes the Americans did wrong the Hawaiians, but I tell you, that Hawai’i could have done a lot worse in this world - if it wasn't going to be the Americans, it most assuredly would have been Japan, Russia or who knows what other Pacific Rim nation looking for power - and none of those nations where especially known for their kindness towards the annexed – just ask some WWII Japanese POWs on their attitudes towards the vanquished.
You can obfusicate, bitch, complain all you want behind your hatred for all the perceived and real injustices to Hawaiians by Americans – but the fact of the matter is that if we wanted to get right down to it, pre contact Hawaiian culture in many ways was a rigid, stratified, bloody, Kapu driven society ruled by Kings and Chiefs looking to attack other Kings and Chiefs for their resources.
One last thing - while the Chinese were a great sea faring nation at one time - they weren't the altruistic seafaring race you make them out to be giving "out chests full of the finest treasures China had to offer, and ask nothing in return", really?
– This is my mana’o - these are my thoughts -
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 5:54:57 PM
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Outside of the circle of family and friends, human endeavors have great potntial for harm. Humans are subject to 1) ignorance, 2)incompetance, and 3) selfishness. Humans can usually keep about 200 persons in their "cirlce". Beyond that "circle", people are "pigeonholed" or in negative circumstance, dehumanized or even demonized.
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