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Tetapu
Akahai
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 Posted - 03/17/2010 : 6:47:19 PM
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Originally posted by sirduke58
Howzit Kawika
I am Half-Hawaiian but live, walk, breathe and carry myself Hawaiian 24/7. Many of your statements have made me feel awkward & uncomfortable, especially the references to "Haole" I do not fully understand your perspective because I see contradictions and a double standard being implied.
How is it that you feel Iz can take any "Haole" song and automatically make it Hawaiian?
Yet according to you "No Haole" can do a Hawaiian song Hawaiian?
"Ho'ihi" (Respect)is the key word Kawika. If a person has respect for the Hawaiian mele then that person's ethnicity does not matter. I've met Wanda & Thumbstruck and they are Hawaiian at heart.Thumbstruck/Kory plays the most Hawaiian sounding slack key I've ever heard from someone outside of Hawaii.My hanai Haole sistah Wanda has personally double my Hawaiian vocabulary just by the wala'au we share. On the other hand I encounter Hawaiians everyday that could learn to be Hawaiian from these "Haoles" Hawaiian IMHO is more a state of mind than blood quantity.
Ozzie (My kumu ki ho'alu) epitomizes Hawaiian in every sense of the word yet he is pure Okinowan with not even a drop of Hawaiian blood. Sonny Chillingworth--Haole/Portugese, Leonard Kwan--Pake, Peter Moon--Pake, Jerry Santos--Portugese etc etc etc...the list goes on & on & on......Are their contributions Un-Hawaiian because of their ethnic make-up?
I may sound sacreligious but with all due respect to Bruddah Iz...Somewhere Over the Rainbow/What a Wonderful Life.....is not a Hawaiian song. Neither is Country Roads or Margarita or Johnny Mahoe and a host of his other songs......I'd categorize these songs closer to "Jawaiian" than Hawaiian...This was one of IZ's accomplishments, bridging Jawaiian & Hawaiian and it played a big part in his popularity and mass appeal. Ain't no doubt IZ was Hawaiian through & through but it doesn't mean every piece of his music was.
Kawika you can speak for yourself and that's your entitlement but you cannot speak for all of us Hawaiians
Malama Pono
 Duke
I don't know bra, I think u Need to go back and read my list of what constitutes a hawaiian song. only the first two in the list had anything to do with hawaiian blood bule
the next 2 described hawaiian as it applies non ethnic hawaiians, and numba 5 is what constitutes haole.
read it or don't bra, ainokea, I just think my last st made u feel angry,
but u don't want to just come out and say what stay boddaring u eh bu
I think what made u feel awkward was my thing about americans , sorry cuz, hawaiians need to be heard. i'm not the miss hawaii expoitation poster boy for no body
hawaii is not american, eh? - and it's not hawaiian's either, is it.
last I checked, the hawaiians are the most exploited people in all of polynesia and the world.
even the jews have at least some of their land.
we are the only conquered people in the world to Not even get thrown a breadcrumb by the thieves, not get any land at all, and even be told less than 50% blood is not hawaiian at all, so they can breed us out.
nobody on earth has ever been so exploited .. but hey sorry eh, I forget ur american
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 7:00:42 PM
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Originally posted by Tetapu
and i believe in education, strength, knowledge, good English and Good Hawaiian, i dont really like pidgeon.
that's "me"
Dat right deya speaks volumes for me. Born and raised on Oahu of ancestors who worked the pineapple fields of Wahiawa, local-style pidgen is part of my soul, my cultural identity and ethnicity. I talk pidgen every chance I get. Saying that you don't really like pidgen infers that you wouldn't really care for me if we ever met in person, so mahalo at least for the advanced warning. Now I no need boddah wasting my time wondering if I should try talk story with you. You lose, when you exclude. You came here asking for kokua. I suggest you try be more humble in your approach or you going end up alienating everybody pretty quick.
Said with aloha.
I don't like pidgin.
I hsve no use for it and I hate using it
if your native language is hawaiian, then I think pidgen is better for u than english
if ur native tongue is okinawan or tagalog or chinese or tongan or korean or samoan, then pidgin is better for u than english
because english contains things and lacks things of other languages. u should just say ur own grammar and meaning and plugin english words
this way your meaning is not lost, nor is your dignity
if u were born in hawaii and the only laguage u can speak is broke pidgin, I don't really think ur living the fullness life has to offer, by he who creates all languages.
if your native language is normal english and u evert to pidgin , ur a digressing dengenerate
and I feel sick when I think how many hawaiian blooded people are growing up without a real language and education
my uncle in pearl city shouts at my cousins when they speak pidgin, as he should
its like growing up in the harlem ghetto without any education or culture and all u know is some street jive but can't even spell it
its disgraceful
said with more aloha
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 7:25:21 PM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 7:16:23 PM
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Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans dedicate their life to education, their written language, 60,000 characters, improving hand writing all their lives, practicing for hours on end.
Hawaiians practiced hula, chant, practicing their dance to absolute perfection so their geneology and stories would be passed unaltered to the children.
each man may know 20,000 or more stories by Heart, which took an entire lifetime to master.
as were the star navigators who lived their life by Night, sleeping alll day long, mastering each stars movements in the heavens throughout the year cycleand passing down that mana'o only verbally, without any written literature at all, which took a full lifetime to accomplish
and what is pidgin?
too lazy to even learn your own language , america's banning of 'olelo hawai'i is also largely to blame, as is pakalolo and other drugs, and foreigners mimmicking crappy pidgin isn't helping anything.
it's not good for our culture or our people. and Hawaiians are smarter and more caring than that
its usually the non-hawaiians who hold our people down.
said with the Aloha blood and the Aloha spirit fire of my people |
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 7:21:19 PM |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 7:37:52 PM
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Originally posted by Tetapu
My Father is about 2/3 Native Hawaiian & 1/3 Chinese
Sorry - genetics doesn't divide by thirds. Recalculate. |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 7:52:06 PM
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why aren't there any pidgin songs? because hawaiians know its dengenerate make any kine wala'au.
imagine:
sum whea ova da kine, sum kine bird wen fly
and I wen hiamoe and wen fly ova da bugga too,
an we heard one da kine, mele, from small kid time bra
and den.. um, wait, I fogettum..
oh, n den 2 braddas wen bump into each odda, u kno, da one bradda was da kine's uncle from da kine, and wen trow da shakas, n one braddah, I wen fohget dat kine guys name ahready, and den get de odda guy, stay trowin his shaka too.. and bruddah guy say eh howsit bra, and de udda kine guy like make wala'au, but bule have fo hele aku to da kine, but u know what he like say bra? he like say da kine, I love u or da kine lidat. now, I dunno if da guy was mahu o wat, but u kno why, he tink da odda bradda was makin da kine eyes at him bra..
and hey get plenny mo I like sing, but time fo da kine u kno, hey I goin fo finish em lata lidat, can owat, eh pau recording dis o wat bra, I stay hungry ahreaddy
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 9:50:36 PM |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 7:55:01 PM
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Originally posted by Tetapu
why aren't there any pidgin songs?
"Manuela Boy"
"Pidgin English Hula" (which I dislike, actually)
"12 Days of Christmas (Hawaiian Style)"
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 7:57:17 PM
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Originally posted by Retro
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Originally posted by Tetapu
why aren't there any pidgin songs?
"Manuela Boy"
"Pidgin English Hula" (which I dislike, actually)
"12 Days of Christmas (Hawaiian Style)"
ya and bula'ia.
you get em eh?
let me fix up da calculation for u bra , "about" , there, ok bra?
that's all 1 haole like u need know |
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guitarded
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2010 : 8:39:42 PM
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Originally posted by Tetapu
why aren't there any pidgin songs? because hawaiians know its dengenerate make any kine wala'au.
Oh nah. Now da buggah stay calling Keala and Kapono Beamer degenerates for singing this song.
Keep it up brah. Watching what you writing is jalike watching cartoons.  I'm pau. I going back slack my bebadees and watch sa moah looney tunes. |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 8:46:10 PM
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you can have 1/3 bule, 2/6, you can have double the hawaiian you have chinese , you can have 7/12ths or 25/32nds as well
try your Math again, or was it just 'olelo kukai
written with shooling aloha. |
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 11:24:10 PM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 8:49:59 PM
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guitardedOh nah. Now da buggah stay calling Keala and Kapono Beamer degenerates for singing this song.
Keep it up brah. Watching what you writing is jalike watching cartoons. I'm pau. I going back slack my bebadees and watch sa moah looney tunes.
that's deep
and did I say pidgin was haole?
correction (i'm on my phone):
pidgin is either great and beneficial or its degenerate, as I explained above.
if you are haole, raised with Normal english as your mother tongue, it's dengenerate as it gets, and detrimental to hawaiians. unneeded and unwanted
so try reading again braand if u like me spell em slower no be ashamed fo ask eh bule
written with the kine aloha that sets u straight |
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 11:22:48 PM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 9:15:50 PM
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really, how can u even speak pidgin if u don't know how to speak Native Hawaiian ?
pidgin is created By the native hawaiian mother tongue, it is a cultural effect of second language learning .. and Not unique to hawaiians learning english , but any native speaker using a new language where is mother tongue grammar and occasional vocab is used as the base for the adopted language
and how TF are u just going to learn that and nothing else, or use it in the reverse (if your native language is english), copying the grammar and occasional vocab using your own language as the base, it serves no use as a communication method for native english speakers, except in first contact with a new race with an unknown language maybe
written with REAL aloha, not that fake kine
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 11:22:03 PM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2010 : 10:38:08 PM
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the Hawaiians who do only speak pidgin and nothing else aren't proud of it at all, they are ashamed and embarrassed and too hawaiian to turn for help.
other north East Asian ethnicities tend to focus on language ability , some SE asians may take pride in the fact they are in hawaii and speak pidgin .. some.. maybe ..
other polynesians are not proud of their lack of good english at all, but Most of them use english as a second language as well.
most East asians in hawaii speak an asian language at home, as a first laguage
haole people with native english speak pidgin because they want to maybe set themselves apart as kama'aina, not be labeled with other mainland haole. or just for vanity, or because they want to be hawaiian or make themselves seem more hawaiian
but they have the luxury of that, most of them already have jobs and careers or have in the past, they have the ability to speak good english
but they aren't helping hawaii or hawaiians at all, only themselves and their own vanity
written with TRUE Aloha, not that hippy kine.. |
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/17/2010 11:23:31 PM |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 03/18/2010 : 12:05:38 AM
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Kawika you more hilarious & outrageous than Joni Mitchell.We also need to clarify that I was not angry about your statements....I was ashamed . Bruddah you so far off base with your philosophy. You spent some token period of time in Hawaii, I spent my whole 52 years of life here. I lived the Hawaiian life you read about it in a book yet you want everybody to believe you are the authority on it. You one plastic Hawaiian because you cannot understand the concept of aloha.
FYI the use of Pidgin is in no way an indicator of ones intelligence nor education. Taropatch.net members Peter Medeiros and MenpachiMan both have degrees that put alphabets after their names and both speak some of the most authentic Pidgin English you can find. Are you implying that these 2 highly educated men are degenerates because they utilize a language that was taught to them by their kupuna? Pidgin made it possible for the many immigrant workers who came to Hawaii to communicate. It's been a significant part of Hawaii for probably 200 years....You don't like it, that's okay 'cause you're not from here.
You're an angry, bitter man lashing out at everyone who does not agree with you.Doesn't it strike you as odd that you percieve everyone here to be wrong except you? What kind of credentials do you have that entitles you to be an authority on Hawaiiana and or Hawaiian music? You've made so many ridiculous references as to what is Hawaiian music it's obvious you are clueless.You don't even know the difference between LOCAL music & HAWAIIAN music. Check my profile for a partial list of Hawaiian songs I do. With the exception of a handful almost all are Hawaiian. How many of those do you sing or play?
Last time you were busy on TP you made the same kind of derogatory statements. That time you bashed the "Haoles" again about wanting slack key tabs only from local or Hawaiian slackers. Did you get any? Do you play any? Why did you have to ask Ozzie for a master list of important slack key songs when it's pretty much common knowledge amongst all us real slack key guitarist? If you haven't made huge strides in your ki ho'alu since that time then you're just talking bubbles and should crawl back under your rock for another extended hibernation period.
Cuz no even boddah fo' respond to dis message cause I wen waste to much time awredde on one pupule wannabe Hawaiian dat stay so outta touch wit da mele and aloha. I not goin' even acknowledge one response cause garanz goin' ony be opala. (Can one of you Haoles translate fo' da lost Royal Hawaiian?)Goodbye forever TROLL !!!!
Sincerest apologies to all you other good people of Taropatch.net Excuse my behavior & my lack of tolerence and composure.
Aloha Always
Bruddah Duke |
Hoof Hearted?...Was it you Stu Pedaso? |
Edited by - sirduke58 on 03/18/2010 12:09:30 AM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 12:17:25 AM
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Originally posted by sirduke58
Kawika you more hilarious & outrageous than Joni Mitchell.We also need to clarify that I was not angry about your statements....I was ashamed. Bruddah you so far off base with your philosophy. You spent some token period of time in Hawaii, I spent my whole 52 years of life here. I lived the Hawaiian life you read about it in a book yet you want everybody to believe you are the authority on it. You one plastic Hawaiian because you cannot understand the concept of aloha.
FYI the use of Pidgin is in no way an indicator of ones intelligence nor education. Taropatch.net members Peter Medeiros and MenpachiMan both have degrees that put alphabets after their names and both speak some of the most authentic Pidgin English you can find. Are you implying that these 2 highly educated men are degenerates because they utilize a language that was taught to them by their kupuna? Pidgin made it possible for the many immigrant workers who came to Hawaii communicate. It's been a significant part of Hawaiian for probably 200 years....You don't like it, that's okay 'cause you're not from here.
You're an angry, bitter man lashing out at everyone who does not agree with you.Doesn't it strike you as odd that you percieve everyone here to be wrong except you? What kind of credentials do you have that entitles you to be an authority on Hawaiiana and or Hawaiian music? You've made so many ridiculous references as to what is Hawaiian music it's obvious you are clueless.You don't even know the difference between LOCAL music & HAWAIIAN music. Check my profile for a partial list of Hawaiian songs I do. With the exception of a handful almost all are Hawaiian. How many of those do you sing or play?
Last time you were busy on TP you made the same kind of derogatory statements. That time you bashed the "Haoles" again about wanting slack key tabs only from local or Hawaiian slackers. Did you get any? Do you play any? Why did you have to ask Ozzie for a master list of important slack key songs when it's pretty much common knowledge amongst all us real slack key guitarist? If you haven't made huge strides in your ki ho'alu since that time then you're just talking bubbles and should crawl back under your rock for another extended hibernation period.
Cuz no even boddah fo' respond to dis message cause I wen waste to much time awredde on one pupule wannabe Hawaiian dat stay so outta touch wit da mele and aloha. I not goin' even acknowledge one response cause garanz goin' ony be opala. (Can one of you Haoles translate fo' da lost Royal Hawaiian?)Goodbye forever TROLL !!!!
Sincerest apologies to all you other good people of Taropatch.net Excuse my behavior & my lack of tolerence and composure.
Aloha Always
Bruddah Duke
you want to be Hawaiian SirKook, that's why you are all angry and bent out of shape
you are illegitimately in Hawaii, you and your whole flock. and you must know it.
or were you just a sheltered O'ahu or Maui token white boy?
you may want to run that Plastic Hawaiian thing by me again, ilo
and an ilo is all you will ever be, I am Hawaii. AND Hawaiian, you are neither, and never will be
you attack this Son of Hawai'i
it's not open for debate, and there is nothing you can do to change it
I am a native Polynesian, by blood.
Hawai'i today is not what it will be in the future, ilo, it will soon be a place where and your ilk are unwelcome
and that must eat you up
I read your little haole fake newspaper about the Hawaii "Northwest", you grommet,
you are the most ilo haole I have ever met in my life
and no, i dont care if you flopped out of your mommy on my land
Medieros uses good english, notice that or what? it's because he is one of the fortunate ones.
slack key or no slack key, I am and always be hawaiian, and nothing can change that, not even my death
you on the other hand are only an ilo, and you have nothing but to cling to that which isnt yours, because once your ousted, ilo, you'll have nothing left but your crappy pidgin
isnt that why you are bent up about, ilo?
Kefe
Se Ufa
written by a REAL Hawaiian
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/18/2010 12:18:45 AM |
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Tetapu
Akahai
China
98 Posts |
Posted - 03/18/2010 : 12:25:51 AM
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52 years.. why these frikkin haoles NO DIE YOUNG?????????????????????
because you ARENT HAWAIIAN at heart, in point and fine fact
me on the other hand, i'm 34, and struggling to stay alive, daily, just trying to keep my own heart beating, and my mind from getting one aneurysm
that's Hawaiian
you is one bleeding Ilo
your ilk just dont die
because u no really care about hawaii, you ilo cracka
you is just one other cracker jack ilo
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Edited by - Tetapu on 03/18/2010 12:28:21 AM |
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Joni Mitchell's outrageous ideas about slack key
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