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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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 Posted - 05/21/2010 : 2:31:51 PM
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Pardon me, but what do Mick Fleetwood and Kenny Loggins have to do with Hawaiian music?
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Me ke aloha
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 3:15:43 PM
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I didn't know that Mick played ipu!  |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 3:21:37 PM
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Add David Pack (formerly with Ambrosia) to that list. At least Fleetwood and Loggins are just sitting in with other Hawaiian artists...Pack is listed on the bill.
Here's what Fleetwood has to do with Hawaiian music, BTW:
http://www.cratercelebration.com/Mick-Fleetwoods-Island-Rumours-Band
Loggins performed on Hapa's first CD and had them open for him on one of his tours, introducing them to a lot of new fans. That's probably why he's playing at Na Hoku with Barry. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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salmonella
Lokahi
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 3:29:37 PM
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| I suspect from a comment by Barry when Hapa was here is SB that Loggins is a friend of his....Loggins lives here in SB so there was a reason for the comment. |
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Darin
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 4:04:38 PM
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| No offense intended to anyone, but I am super excited about Kenny Loggins being at the Hokus. Also, he included Hana Aluna on his second children's cd (with Hapa as backup), and "House at Pooh Corner" is a Ka`au Crater Boys classic. I know, still tangential to Hawaiian music, but still, I'm very excited! |
Darin
http://www.hawaiiguitar.com/ |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 4:49:39 PM
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Originally posted by Darin
...still tangential to Hawaiian music...
Hey, a LOT of what passes for Hawaiian music is tangential to Hawaiian music anyway, no bodda me. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2010 : 6:12:49 PM
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Funny joke on me....I do not even know who Ambrosia is, but only except its a fruit salad with coconut. My kids probably would be surprised that I know who Kenny Loggins and Mick Fleetwood are. Oh, wait a minute. I don't think my kids know who they are.
Well at least they ain't gettin' no awards. |
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Auntie Maria
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 05/22/2010 : 07:42:22 AM
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HARA's Na Hoku Hanohano Awards celebrate _all_ of the music that comes from Hawaii's musicians...not just Hawaiian.
To have mainland musicians of this caliber come to the awards show this year, draws the attention of their fans (and world media) to the event -- and also the wide variety of musical talent that can be found in our islands.
This is a BIG deal for the island music industry!  |
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
580 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2010 : 04:07:34 AM
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Originally posted by Auntie Maria
HARA's Na Hoku Hanohano Awards celebrate _all_ of the music that comes from Hawaii's musicians...not just Hawaiian.
To have mainland musicians of this caliber come to the awards show this year, draws the attention of their fans (and world media) to the event -- and also the wide variety of musical talent that can be found in our islands.
This is a BIG deal for the island music industry!
I so wholeheartedly agree with Auntie Maria on this one. HARA's charter says that, "The Academy is a nonprofit organization formed in 1982 to stimulate interest in the local recording industry and the music of Hawai'i." The local recording industry happens to be a beautifully diverse one. That's why the Hoku's offer Reggae, R&B/Hip-Hop, Rock, and Religious categories. And often the nominees for Contemporary, Male Vocalist, and Female Vocalist are not strictly "Hawaiian music" either.
Our love and admiration are not just for those island musicians who play Hawaiian music. The problem is now - as it has always been - that island musicians of all kinds rarely get the national recognition they deserve. Because they're on an island.
I hope that Auntie Maria is right about the presence of Fleetwood, Loggins, and Pack at the Hoku's drawing broader attention to the music industry in Hawai'i. That was the hope for the "Hawaiian" category at the Grammy Awards, and so far that has not been the success anyone had hoped.
I am all for tearing down boundaries - not building up new ones. HARA has become more and more inclusive with each passing year.
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2010 : 04:34:26 AM
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I am all for anything that will spotlight music in Hawai`i -- yes, all kinds.
What I am afraid of(and I am being brutally honest here), is that island residents may say that mainland haoles trying to kakaroach their music. Or to get publicity by inserting themselves in the Hawaiian music awards show.
Jeez, ahdunno.
I mean, does anyone pay attention to Kenny Loggins nowadays? Or to Mick Fleetwood? Is the world going to sit up and pay attention just because they were at the Na Hoku Hanohano Awards? If the wonderful music of Hawai`i has not garnered world-wide attention, sadly I do not think the addition of these gentlemen will bring that attention, either.
Remains to be seen. |
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2010 : 06:19:42 AM
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The bag says KONA in very large letters, but 10% in very small letters. The 90% is grown in Columbia, or Mexico, or Brazil. Bait & switch. Hawaiian people benefited greatly from outsiders interest in real estate, too.
Does Hawai`i need another Joni Mitchell to save the music?
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"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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salmonella
Lokahi
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 06:50:49 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
What I am afraid of(and I am being brutally honest here), is that island residents may say that mainland haoles trying to kakaroach their music.
I would wager that if they are going to say this, they would say it more about us "mainland haoles" that play this music everyday, without invitation, than they would about an invited professional musician playing at an awards show once a year at most. It is a valid and reasonable concern in general and one that we are all aware of, but Loggins at Hoku may not be the biggest concern IMO.
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hwnmusiclives
`Olu`olu
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 06:54:24 AM
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Originally posted by salmonella
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Originally posted by wcerto
What I am afraid of(and I am being brutally honest here), is that island residents may say that mainland haoles trying to kakaroach their music.
I would wager that if they are going to say this, they would say it more about us "mainland haoles" that play this music everyday, without invitation, than they would about an invited professional musician playing at an awards show once a year at most. It is a valid and reasonable concern in general and one that we are all aware of, but Loggins at Hoku may not be the biggest concern IMO.
Dave
Dave is becoming in many ways sort of like my nicer, less sarcastic twin.
You read my mind, Dave.
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kuulei88
Akahai
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 08:48:09 AM
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Originally posted by hwnmusiclives
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Originally posted by Auntie Maria
HARA's Na Hoku Hanohano Awards celebrate _all_ of the music that comes from Hawaii's musicians...not just Hawaiian.
To have mainland musicians of this caliber come to the awards show this year, draws the attention of their fans (and world media) to the event -- and also the wide variety of musical talent that can be found in our islands.
This is a BIG deal for the island music industry!
I so wholeheartedly agree with Auntie Maria on this one. HARA's charter says that, "The Academy is a nonprofit organization formed in 1982 to stimulate interest in the local recording industry and the music of Hawai'i." The local recording industry happens to be a beautifully diverse one. That's why the Hoku's offer Reggae, R&B/Hip-Hop, Rock, and Religious categories. And often the nominees for Contemporary, Male Vocalist, and Female Vocalist are not strictly "Hawaiian music" either.
Our love and admiration are not just for those island musicians who play Hawaiian music. The problem is now - as it has always been - that island musicians of all kinds rarely get the national recognition they deserve. Because they're on an island.
I hope that Auntie Maria is right about the presence of Fleetwood, Loggins, and Pack at the Hoku's drawing broader attention to the music industry in Hawai'i. That was the hope for the "Hawaiian" category at the Grammy Awards, and so far that has not been the success anyone had hoped.
I am all for tearing down boundaries - not building up new ones. HARA has become more and more inclusive with each passing year.
Auntie Maria makes an important point about aspirations that musicians of national reputation could bring their fans into awareness and appreciation of music in Hawaiʻi, and its diverse recording industry.
And Bill rightly points out that island musicians of other (i.e, non-Hawaiian) types of music rarely get recognition beyond Hawai‘i.
However, HARAʻs dedication to the "music of Hawaiʻi" has produced an unintended omission. Itʻs important support of Hawaiian music excludes the Hawaiian music produced by Hawaiians now living on the mainland. Most of the Nā Hōkū Hanohano categories require Hawai‘i residency. Very few categories are open to Hawaiian music produced by Hawaiians who, for many reasons, now reside elsewhere. Think: Patrick Landeza, Stephen Espaniola, Faith Ako, Aunty Geri Kuhia, Kalae Miles, etc. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 05/24/2010 : 10:30:38 AM
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Yeah - what Amy said. That's why it seems to me to be sending mixed messages. Let's exclude Hawaiians who love Hawai`i, malama the music of Hawai`i, dedicate their lives to perpetuating the music of Hawai`i,who for various reasons must live outside of Hawai`i proper, but let's invite some guys who MIGHT get non-islanders to notice the music.
And oh my, Auntie does think about Patrick Landeza and Kalae Miles and Stephen Espaniola.... (not THAT way you dirty old buggahs).
BTW, Kenny Loggins soon will be playing in a small suburb east of Cleveland (Cleveland Hts.) in a VERY small venue, kind of an outdoor amphitheater place. Nope, we are not going to see him. I am holding out for winning the lotto so I can buy tickets for Carole King & James Taylor for $125.00. |
Me ke aloha
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
1511 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2010 : 08:08:36 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
I am all for anything that will spotlight music in Hawai`i -- yes, all kinds.
What I am afraid of(and I am being brutally honest here), is that island residents may say that mainland haoles trying to kakaroach their music.
But, auntie, ain't a whole bunch of haoles posting here on TP? According to my Hawaiian friends, no boddah dem if haoles play da music, so long dey got heart, yeah? |
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This Year's Na Hoku Show: Loggins/Fleetwood
