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Mac
Aloha
USA
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 Posted - 11/14/2010 : 10:00:36 PM
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Aloha Taropatch members, and mahalo you for your help in advance. I just recently (last year or so) have become fascinated with slack key guitar and have hung up my Stratocaster for my Larrivee and have never enjoyed playing guitar more. I am 58 now and feel that this is the music, the spirit, the aloha - that will take me the rest of my way. Sorry that it did not come sooner but, hey no worries, its all good.
Like many of the members have posted, one of the favorite players to emulate and learn from is Ozzie Kotani, and his piece Ku'u kika kahiko has found a corner of my soul and attached itself there. I would love to learn this piece. I understand from what I have read here that Ozzie Kotani is no longer sending out tablature, and if that is true I certainly can appreciate that. But should any one else who might have a copy and have the authorization to do so, feel the spirit to send me a copy; you would make me a happy man. And for that I thank you in advance. Peace and Aloha
Mac
groovin @ centurylink.net
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slkho
`Olu`olu
740 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2010 : 08:57:56 AM
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Congratulations on embracing Slack Key Mac!!! Don't hang up the Strat yet my friend, you can play Slack on a Stat...Dennis Kamakahi does from time-to-time....if not, you can always sell me your Strat, I'm looking for another one anyways....You can also play Slack Key on a Gretsch which is typically used in Country music, but also is great for any open tunings.
...can't help you with the tab, its hard to get, take it from me....yikes!!! someone out there has it I'm sure.
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Mac
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 11/15/2010 : 3:58:38 PM
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I appreciate the reply slkho, and no, I won't ever hang up the Strat for good. Actually I have my Tele tuned to F Wahine, my Gibson Blueshawk to Taro Patch, my Larrivee to C Wahine, and my Breedlove to G doubleslack. Since I am now out of guitars to tune and Ozzie's tuning on this song is another that is yet completely different, I may have to use the Strat after all. I've got my eye on my son's Ibanez also as there seems to always be another tuning.
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
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RWD
`Olu`olu
USA
850 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2010 : 08:17:22 AM
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We have had discussions on this tune before--I like it and many players here like it too. Maybe you can find the thread and get some more info on it.
There is no music posted but Bruddah Duke has a good video on youtube. If you watch him play you might be able to figure it out. Without his video it would be very difficult to learn. And, oh yeah, it is difficult to play too. It may take a very extended learning period but it is worth it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eJrA4wZ9g
I plan on posting a vid of this tune also sometime in the near future so you may have another reference to look at.
Anyone that wants to play like Ozzie may very well have to "up their game". Happens to me almost every time I take on one of his songs but I am getting better because of it. You will too.
Good luck with it. |
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jimscottjr
Aloha
USA
38 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2010 : 4:22:36 PM
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Actually, this was the song that FORCED me to learn Slack Key. I loved the music, but when I heard this song, I knew I had to learn to play.
This is probably my favorite Slack Key song. It just resonates inside. I didn't know music could do that to me. |
Old Haole
http://www.haoleslackkey.com/ |
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Karl Monetti
`Olu`olu
USA
756 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 12:31:53 PM
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A long time favorite of mine, too. I've tried to reproduce it in taropatch, but without that low base it just does not sound the same.
Took about 6 hours of intense listening, pausing, rewinding, listening, watching, pausing, rewinding the youtube video of Sir Duke, ad nauseum, but i think I finally have it written down ALMOST note for note from the video.
It IS tough to play (especially like Duke does, without any facial contortions...botox, you say?) if for no other reason than it is an unfamiliar tuning to my mind and fingers. But there are some passages that have me buffaloed as to how to make them work seamlessly; guess I just have to practice more.
I am writing a more legible version of tab to keep (lots of erasures in the first draft) and would be willing to share if that is not any copyright infringement. |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 3:24:38 PM
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Hey Karl,
Mahalo nui for the kind words. Botox ain't the cause for the lack of facial expression, I just can't walk and chew gum at the same time so multi-tasking is beyond me. The C6th Maunaloa tuning is the key to this mele, I can't imagine reproducing it in any other tuning.Friend & fellow TPer Justin Alderfer solved it by ear using C-G-D-G-A-E and with only the 4th string different it made him work way too hard to play it.He did get very vey close though. The troublesome passages you're referring to are probably those that contain what Ozzie refers to as "slurs" An awesome "nahenahe" inducing technique for which Oz composed "Waikahe" an excellent practice piece that demonstrates the hammer on, pull off & slide slurs. This "Waikahe" song and tabs are available on Ozzie's Guitar Playing Hawaiian Style volume II.If you want to authenticate Ku'u Kika Kahiko or want to take your ki ho'alu to a higher level learning the "slur" technique is a must.
Below is a YouTube link to another TPer playing Ku'u Kika Kahiko. He executes it better then my 2 year old video and maybe it could help you resolve those troublesome passages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPLcV0s70K8 |
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Bau
Lokahi
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 5:52:13 PM
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| I like your vid duke, thats one of my faves, I thought the lack of expression on your face was because it was all channeled through your fingers ;) |
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sirduke58
`Olu`olu
USA
993 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2010 : 6:31:37 PM
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Hey Alice
Mahalo nui,I like your explanation better. Actually I was focusing so hard on trying not to mess up that's why I looked so stoic. 2 years later I play it better but still struggle to get through it mistake free. Unfortunately the stone face is still the same |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 02:34:38 AM
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| Dukie has a cute face. He really does know how for smile. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Bau
Lokahi
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 06:02:48 AM
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| I agree , Wanda, he does give a big cute smile at the end of the vid :P |
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2173 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 08:59:43 AM
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| Eh, Duke, I know about da stone face. Folks always tell me to smile, too. I've noticed that buttonbox players usually have a stone face also. |
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slipry1
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2010 : 09:58:41 AM
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Originally posted by thumbstruck
Eh, Duke, I know about da stone face. Folks always tell me to smile, too. I've noticed that buttonbox players usually have a stone face also.
That's 'cause playing accordion is like rubbing your stomach, patting your head, chewing gum and doing a tap dance, all at the same time. I know, because I'm struggling with Unco Paul's infernal device! You don't have time to smile, what with pushing keys and/or buttons, squeezing bellows (in and out are different with diatonic button devices), and trying to remember the tune! Same is true with complicated slack key. |
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Karl Monetti
`Olu`olu
USA
756 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 9:14:06 PM
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Duke,
THanks for the clues and the link. My biggest problem is at the one minute mark, on the third variation, the descending passage i cannot figure out by watching your fingering. I think I have it with different fingering, but your method seems easier to play than mine.
Another problem area is at the end at 3:54 after the barred 3rd fret chord. I can not hear or see it right, for the next two chords until you go back to the V.
I will watch the other video and see if that helps clear it up.
It will take me many moons to get it smoothly as you, though.
My stone face includes a really unflattering frown as well....
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Karl
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Trev
Lokahi
United Kingdom
265 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2010 : 02:30:36 AM
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When I’m playing with my friends, smiles often happen. Someone’ll play something particularly good, or sometimes there’s a ‘lift’ that happens. Spontaneous smiling at stuff that’s going on in the music is part and parcel of what it’s supposed to be for.
But a lot of the time we’re not smiling. This is because we’re concentrating. This is also fine. People pull all sorts of faces when they’re concentrating.
However, I don’t think anyone should take any notice of advice that ‘you should smile more’. A natural smile is a wonderful thing. The forced smile, the painted-on showbiz rictus grin, well that’s the stuff of nightmares, if you ask me.
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