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Haole04
Aloha
USA
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 Posted - 03/04/2004 : 4:48:43 PM
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Howzit pplz, just checkkin in... Trying fo teach myself Slack key and regular giutar..... ANY help is welcome lol. I play small kine uke~ haveing troubles picking... but I gettum.
Anyways
Alohazzz
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barry luttrell
Aloha
Canada
13 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 7:26:48 PM
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| At the risk of sounding cranky, why do some non hawaiians pretend to be hawaiian, and use, what I assume are, words & phrases from the island...is it just me or do other people find it annoying? It would be difficult for me to be in the same room with people pretending to be something they aren't....If I'm wrong I'll shut up....Be yourself, it's easier. |
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jlsulle
Lokahi
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 9:33:18 PM
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Barry,
I have often wondered the same thing. I love slack key music and things Hawaiian but trying to speak the slang just doesn't get me there. jlsulle |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2004 : 11:56:47 PM
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Yeah, and why do all these non-Hawaiians try to play Hawaiian music? Very, very annoying. 
Craig
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Edited by - cpatch on 03/06/2004 01:48:20 AM |
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RJS
Ha`aha`a
1635 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2004 : 12:06:28 AM
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First of all, welcome Scott. Hope you find some valuable resources here.
Now, I don't know Scott's background. Maybe he's married to a kanaka wahine. Maybe he spent a lot of time in the Islands, hangs around a lot with "homey's" So I don't want to direct these remarks to him specifically, but I would like to share something from my background.
I had a great experience of coming into contact with many Northern New Mexican Hispanos/Latinos - especially because we shared some significant artistic/cultural and professional interests. After a few months, my wife, who is California born latina pointed out that I was unconsciously using a lot of their jargon and speech patterns. I liked these people, I admired them, and I was young. When I asked a few of them about my use of language, I could tell from their embarrassed silence that what I was doing was not perceived by them the same way as I perceived it. It was a great lesson. I was able to spend the next year or so learning how to appreciate and honor a culture, take part in aspects of it, and also respect our differences. So now I try to be careful, although I occasionally drop a kine or two, or some other phrase, especially with my Hawaiian friends. Personally, when I see an entry filled with patois I tend to get turned off - unless the author(s) know ech other and are used to communicating in patois - a do find it embarrassing when the patois seems, to my fairly ignorant ear, to be more a parody than a genuine and "accurate" useage.
BTW - Last time I was at the Bishop, I notice a grammar of local street dialect. I admit that I have to eat my words about the value of scholars teaching Hawaiian, but .... oh well.
Raymond Stovich
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Pupule
USA
4551 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2004 : 01:44:33 AM
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Welcome Scott from a fellow east coaster.
And mahalo to this community for always fostering good dialogue in a civil manner. This is a very interesting (and, I think, valid) topic which in some other forums would have quickly deteriorated into massive flame wars. |
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Mainkaukau
Lokahi
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2004 : 11:37:08 PM
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| It's really what you say not how you say it...or was it...what you play not how you play it? Something like dat... |
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Julie H
Ha`aha`a
USA
1206 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 01:26:46 AM
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I don't think people mean to be offensive. Take me for instance. I am not Hawaiian, but I look Polynesian and spent the first ten years of my life on a tropical island. I'm really Dutch, with some Chinese and some Portuguese thrown in.
I've spent a lot of time in Hawai'i since the seventies, and have just naturally taken on the habits and customs. I am accustomed to the fruits and vegetables, the mangoes and the coconuts, etc. I am most comfortable there because it reminds me of my childhood home, to which I can never, ever return for political reasons.
Does that make me a fake? I hope not. I think it just means that I have a very special place in my heart for things Hawaiian. And who knows, I may have been Hawaiian in a previous life. To me, it's just like home. I love the people, and I love Hawaiian music which I why I choose to play that more than rock and roll or classical. And by the way, pidgin English is kind of fun at times. It's OK to have some lighthearted banter now and then. Don't lose your sense of humor.
So from one old lady who will be coming up to the finish line before long, there's not enough time in life to be cranky. Live it up!
Aloha nui loa,
Tutuhuli
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 01:49:05 AM
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FWIW, I offend myself with my occasional Hawaiian slang, and I offend others with my constant English.
Craig
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
1533 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 7:40:54 PM
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Bring on da pidgin!
Jesse Tinsley
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Mainkaukau
Lokahi
USA
245 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2004 : 9:44:20 PM
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I fed a pigeon a piece of hot french fries the other day. After a few seconds, the bird looked at me and surprisingly spit the piece of fries out a good 3 feet. The piece of fries landed on my foot. I'm still wondering if the pigeon found the fries to be to hot or to salty... |
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RJS
Ha`aha`a
1635 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2004 : 11:12:30 PM
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Couple of years ago when my folks were out visiting (from Chicago) we went down to San Diego and spent a day at Sea World - had them sit at a picnic table and I went to the counter to buy lunch - I'm walking back to the table and a flying pig-dgeon (ok a sea gull) swooped down from by behind me a grabbed a burger from the tray. Startled the stuffings out of me - I went back to the counter and the guy said, "Oh yeah, it happens, no problem - we'll just replace your order."
This has nothing to do with this topic, other than the word pidgeon made me think of it. In my business we call it "loosing of associations," (not to be confused with the loosening of any other body part.)
Raymond
San Jose
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2004 : 11:53:00 PM
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| Hah! One of those same seagulls swooped in and grabbed a churro right out of my son's hand at Sea World also! More entertaining than Shamu. (Not to my son.) |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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RJS
Ha`aha`a
1635 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2004 : 4:39:06 PM
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That's part of what I like about CA - the ethnic diversity even with the Seagulls.
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Bwop
Lokahi
USA
244 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2004 : 6:54:59 PM
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Aloha all us lolo buggahs,
Whoa! How could I have missed this thread til now??
I've got to be one of the worst possible offenders with both Pidgin and Hawai'ian. I really mean no offense (though I'm biased in not wanting to offend my hawai'ian friends more than my ha'ole ones), but, just like Julie, and in the words of Frank Sinatra (?), "I just gotta be me"- which is (I can't stress this enough, people) a middle-aged clueless ha'ole born in NEW JERSEY (sorry, Andy, but I found it a challange), AND, an old soul who found his hear's connection with a people, place, culture and music that satisfies his soul. If no kanaka maoli, I stay one 'uhane maoli.
I'm trying to scratch the surface of Hawai'ian language for many reasons. I love to sing in Hawai'ian (it's helping to heal my awful voice). I want to be able to think differently, and dream in Hawai'ian. And when my wife reads Hawai'ian street names off to me, it's like Tish speaking French to Gomez. Watch out!
Pidgin is just too much fun. I try to be respectful, but I also like to have fun. A Hawai'ian friend told me he "liked speaking Pidgin, eating Spam" and that his daughter was about to turn six, so I re-did the Dr. Suess as "Green Eggs & Spam"-- all in Pidgin. When I showed it to other Hawai'ian friends and asked if they thought it offensive, they said, "Not unless you're making fun of one person.". And, I sent it to the ultimate Spam authority. Keola really liked it (he sent the book back, inscribed with, "I laughed, I cried, I ate Spam").
I know how odd it is to be under-going what seems like an ethnicity-transfusion within myself, and "lo siento mucho" to those of you put off by my fledgling lingual attempts at understanding this culture which is nourishing my soul, but, I OWE YOU MONEY O WOT??
(Just kidding) |
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Julie H
Ha`aha`a
USA
1206 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2004 : 01:31:01 AM
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| Bwopadoodledoo, I just love ya! Tutuhuli |
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