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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 01/02/2008 : 2:38:56 PM
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It is just my experience that my recordings had to be pumped up to 7 0r 8 on my car stereo to be heard so my question was whether my recordings were too soft and without compression or limiting how even if i set levels along the signal path as recommended I don't get decent levels when I burn the end product on to a CD?
Yes- and after you have read a little more then measure the average RMS level of one of your cuts and report it back here. If you can get as far as measuring this level then you are 25% of the way home. It is most likely that you just need some Hard Limiting of the peaks to get the level up (Live Music often has a few extreme peaks that can be limited without much damage to the music).
What is your primary DAW tool, again?
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Mahope Kākou...
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Edited by - Lawrence on 01/02/2008 2:57:29 PM |
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Kapila Kane
Ha`aha`a
USA
1051 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2008 : 11:24:52 PM
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Is this device for the little workshop of slackers "set it down and record" scene, or is this at the "Lawrance of Napili" level of operations? Does it require a camel to tote it?
Did I miss the price range somewhere?
If I really like it, I'll buy the whole company.
A million questions begins with one small post.
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1579 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 06:54:11 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
Well, Santa Claus brought Paul one of these thingies for Christmas. Do you only use the mics which came with the thingie or can you hook it up to others? It picks up all kinds of sound, like Paul scratching his chest hairs. Big instruction book for Paul to read.
Wanda, it is possible to use external mics, but the H2 is not very well designed for that use. The H4 is more flexible for using external mics.
This experience of picking up lots of extra noise is pretty common when people start recording. It can be frustrating, but somehow we just get better at being quiet as we gain experience. I would recommend that Paul just spend a lot of time recording with the H2 built-in mics rather than invest in more equipment.
I don't know if I've posted it here before, but I have a little blog page with a comparison of the H2 and a recording chain that cost roughly $5K.
http://www.fxguidry.com/pblog/index.php?entry=entry071201-161322
Click on the "Schoeps" and "Zoom H2" links to download the recordings.
Also, while we're linking, I found a site dedicated to the H2/H4 stuff. http://www.2090.org/zoom/bbs/viewforum.php?f=15
One item I would recommend is a mic stand with boom and clip. The H2 comes with a cute little adapter that slides into a common mic clip and this setup allows you to position the H2 in that just right spot.
Welcome back, kiddo.
Fran |
E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
Edited by - Fran Guidry on 01/03/2008 07:17:09 AM |
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1579 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 07:03:10 AM
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Originally posted by NANI
OK I am haveing a great time recording and learning alot from the recordings like ouch do I really sound like that but now I have a new question. And maybe it has already been asked and answered but I do not yet speak the language so I must have missed it. I have this nice long recording 2 hours long. How do I break it down into individual songs to study?
You can download a free audio editor called Audacity from
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
I recommend the 1.3.4 beta version, it's stable for our purposes and works a bit better. After you have imported your file into Audacity, you will probably see the breaks between songs pretty easily. If not, play the file and listen for the spots where you want to select individual songs. After you select a section by dragging the cursor (or using click & shift-click to mark the two ends) choose File | Export Selection to save the selected area to a new file. Repeat for each song.
While you're in Audacity you can also raise the level, apply EQ, add effects, etc.
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E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1579 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 07:09:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kapila Kane
Is this device for the little workshop of slackers "set it down and record" scene, or is this at the "Lawrance of Napili" level of operations? Does it require a camel to tote it?
Did I miss the price range somewhere?
If I really like it, I'll buy the whole company.
A million questions begins with one small post.
This is a "set it down and record" device that does a pretty decent job. The fidelity is better than Sam Phillips was able to provide for Elvis but it's quite simple to use. If you leave the settings at default, operation consists of turning it on and pressing the record button twice (the first time puts you in standby for checking levels). To get the most out of it you need to pull the files into a computer and process them.
It fits in a shirt pocket, slightly larger than a pack of cigarettes and probably weighs less. Costs $199 everywhere, slightly less if you're willing to risk Ebay. Comes with a 512MB CF card. I bought an 8 GB card for $60 and they're probably cheaper now. 4 GB is probably plenty big enough.
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1916
Fran |
E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
Edited by - Fran Guidry on 01/03/2008 07:12:49 AM |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 07:50:53 AM
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Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 01/03/2008 : 07:55:20 AM
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Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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NANI
Lokahi
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 08:31:33 AM
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Oh Fran thanks so much I can always count on the patch for an answer.
>Is this device for the little workshop of slackers "set it down and record" scene<
It sure is and it is for us Uke folks too I am electronically inept and after I finally remembered that you have to push the button twice to record I have done quite nicely . NO I would never let anyone else hear my recordings but I have learned SO much from listening to myself play as well as not having to stop and make notes everytime I want to change someting just say it and then later at home when i review what we did I can make the changes.
I just set mine on a little table ( it has a cute little stand that comes with. and after PUSHING TWICE away we go for HOURS of fun.
Now to try Audicity. Ah the learing cuve never ends.
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"A hui hou kakou, malama pono".
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 2:40:45 PM
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I'm mostly still studying the book, but I thought of an experiment to try. I'm going to put it on a mike stand in the hall, and set it for 4 channel so it can pick up a little echo from behind it. Seems like I read somewhere years ago that that was how reverb got started. New toy; gotta play!
Last shave was in Jan, 1972. Next shave when Dwayne Allman shows up with a razor.Wax is for candles. More likely to not scratch chest while recording. I was holing it in my hand and learning the buttons, etc.
Paul |
"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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NANI
Lokahi
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2008 : 02:59:33 AM
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Fran thanks so much the Audicity is exactly what I was looking for . Look at me I am on a CD not one that ANYONE else will hear but it was great fun last evening cutting out all the chatter and ending up with just the songs that I wanted to listen to and play with.
Thank you Everyone I never dreamed I would be having this much fun when I bought my little Ukulele a year ago. and now I am 23 days away from returning to HAWAII and WAY to excited to get the work done that must be done.
Paul reccomend NO shave scratching will be way worse after shaviing anyway just try scratching in rhythm and say it is new instrument kind of a washboard with out the board. My recordings are filled with pages turning since my recorder sits right in front of my book. |
"A hui hou kakou, malama pono".
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2008 : 09:14:36 AM
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Yo Ho, all -
Just a reminder that I did an extensive review of the H2 a while back. I'd suggest re-reading it, because there is quite a bit of info on using the H2 to record 4 channel "surround," as well as links to various freeware decoders you can use to take advantage of the full capabilities of the little puppy.
http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2007/09/13/review-zoom-h2-surround-recorder.html
Onward!
Mark
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Kika Kahu
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2008 : 05:31:49 AM
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| Thanks Mark! I'm new to Taro Patch so bear with me. I have been reading about home recording, questioning folks at Music 6K in Oly and even spent some time with the Roland rep at a trade sale. He was totally unbiased of couse. (-:)' Your article really helped my confidence level. My fear isn't the quality of recorded sound at a basic level, it's my ability to operate the unit with minimal knowledge of digital recording. I get all nervous and wiggly with all the technical jargon. I intend to use this unit for basic "point and record" with my non-electric acoustics and direct plug in with my Taylor 910c es. This unit sounds like it will perform that task easily. Maholo for your awsome article. I really appreciate your humor. You keep it loose when communicating fairly complex stuff. We are sooo fortunate to have your expertise and recorded music. I am working on your tab book "Old Time Hawaiin Slack Key Guitar". It's great for a player with my abilities. Thanks again!! Larry - Olympia |
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Fran Guidry
Ha`aha`a
USA
1579 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2008 : 06:37:54 AM
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The direct plug in will require an adapter as a minimum. Your Taylor 1/4 mono output can be converted to a 1/8" stereo plug with a couple of parts from Radio Shack. At that point, if you're dissatisfied with the sound you can begin the never ending quest for just the right gadget to make your pickup sound like your guitar. The Expression System also has an XLR output which requires a trip into jargon <grin> so I'll skip that topic.
Using the Zoom as a recording device doesn't require any technical expertise, or very very little. But you will face a few drops of jargon if you want to convert the recording to some other format like a CD, or transfer it to some other device like an MP3 player.
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E ho`okani pila kakou ma Kaleponi
Slack Key Guitar in California - www.kaleponi.com
Slack Key on YouTube
Homebrewed Music Blog |
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NANI
Lokahi
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2008 : 06:59:29 AM
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| Speaking as someone with not one drop of technical knowledge I have had a ton of fun with my ZOOM H2 but then I am not trying to hook anything into just pushing the little button TWICE (could not figure out why nothing was recording the first TWO times I used it? DUH) and recording for my own knowledge. Thanks to the Taro Patch gang I have been able to get this to all work easy!. |
"A hui hou kakou, malama pono".
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Kika Kahu
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2008 : 06:12:54 AM
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Mahalo Fran and Nancy. After more head scratching and checking, it looks like I might have to step up to more expensive equipment for my recording requirements. Not too much more expensive thankfully. I have been working on about a dozen slack key tunes and some Tommy Emmanuel and Pepino Agastino stuff (Blue Ocean tab is beautiful). Now I hear other instruments in my head that might sound great as additional tracks. I am open to suggestions on equipment if anyone uses multi track digital home recording this boomer can figer' out.
Aloha from Oly. Happy Friday! |
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