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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11/01/2007 : 10:14:10 AM
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But if I were to use the phrase "pseudo music" to refer to what YOU play, Basil...
I wouldn't be in the least offended, to me pseudo means pretended or purporting to be, or just plain not real.
Probably an accurate description of my capabilities, after all, I'm not an original but somewhat of a clone of those I've listened to. In a sense, most of us are..
I really think the word and its connotations carries less weight over here {Blighty}
Now, if you were to say that I didn't play particularly well. that would be a different story ! the Vitriolic Pen would be unsheathed. !
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Trev
Lokahi
United Kingdom
265 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 10:42:49 AM
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I have to disagree with you there, Basil. I am as English as English can be, and if someone calls something 'pseudo' anything in our country, it's usually to imply a negative connotation.
Reid - sips and nibbles? I can only conclude that you know some high class people over here! |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 12:46:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lawrence
Also "Retro" can be insulting in a similar, but not as extreme fashion
Apologies; I try not to be.  |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 1:50:54 PM
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Apologies; I try not to be.
Good One!!
(at least I said NOT AS EXTREME FASHION - but I don't really know... do you wear extremely insulting fashions? )
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Probably an accurate description of my capabilities, after all, I'm not an original but somewhat of a clone of those I've listened to. In a sense, most of us are..
Guess so - what with Music itself being a very traditional art form we have been copying each other for hundreds of years. And since we have been intellectually discussing this subject as some length you could say that we are also a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals!
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Mahope Kākou...
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Edited by - Lawrence on 11/01/2007 2:16:24 PM |
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 3:16:23 PM
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Is that similar to being a "Stand-Up Philosopher"?
Paul |
"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 6:51:40 PM
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Originally posted by Lawrence
do you wear extremely insulting fashions?
I dunno...ask Momi. Or GuavaSunrise. Or anyone who has seen me dance hula, and screamed "my eyes --- they burn!" |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 11:27:58 PM
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This is from Keith :-
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I would like to take this opportunity in thanking Basil on behalf of our small recorded Hawaiian music research group for so kindly making space available in his magazine 'Aloha Dream' and for arranging access to the various forums where he is a regular contributor in order to obtain the views of many people offering a wide and diverse spectrum of views and insights in this matter. I have been truly amazed by the incredibly spontaneous response of so many people within the space of not days but mere hours! It is patently obvious that some nerve has been touched... Please keep your fascinating comments rolling in - they will continue to be most welcome. Clearly, all of this requires careful thought and deliberation and as and when matters progress I will, most certainly, keep you all appraised.
Keith Grant
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2007 : 11:35:42 PM
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Trev, it must also be an "Age" thing, us virtual octogenarians don't use the mother tongue in such an acid manner as we approach the "Sunset Years"
HEY look what our friend in Japan found :-
Well, an album of mine on world release by EMI was released by Toshiba records in Japan as a Red vinyl sampler on the Odeon label OP-8327 (yax-3414) and called :- Mood Deluxe Melodies for Best Dresser
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Edited by - Basil Henriques on 11/01/2007 11:37:56 PM |
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Trev
Lokahi
United Kingdom
265 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 07:20:27 AM
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Hi Basil!
You've got a point there - language changes over time and the way older people use it is different to the way younger people do. My late Uncle Tommy used to use the word 'childer' for 'children', for instance. That used to be common in the local dialect, but it's all but died out now.
But I still reckon if I was playing jazz and it got called pseudo jazz, pretend jazz, ersatz jazz, or anything else to imply it somehow wasn't 'proper', then I'm not sure how I'd react.
Part of me thinks I'd want to give them a punch up the bracket, but another (perhaps more mature part) of me thinks, well I've never called myself a jazz musician or a traditional musician, or a folk musician - I'm just a musician. So for myself, I probably wouldn't care so much.
I suppose I think that a label that describes Mr Brozman et al as not being the 'real thing' is doing their excellent musicianship and talent a bit of a disservice, and not really fair.
What a great find that album is! What a great title! It must be magic to have things like that turn up that you've no idea about - It must have brought a big smile to your face! Nice one! |
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 07:45:34 AM
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Basil or Trev -- interesting talk on how the language changes over time and differences in usage between older and new generations.
My family history goes back to England - family names Bradshaw and Adkins. (I've traced it back to mid 1500s). Down in the hills of West Virginia, I remember my great and great-great grandmothers speaking what was called "Old English" by my mother. I believe the consensus was they spoke this way due to isolation was up in them hills and hollers. One of the terms they used was "it was as bitter as kyarn (phonetic spelling)". Would either of you ever have an inkling what was "kyarn"?
Sorry to get off topic. Please forgive, but I have been wondering about this for most of my life, about the "funny" way the granny ladies talked. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 11:11:57 AM
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| Oh, Basil! I am beholden to you. Thank you so very much for clearing up a life long question. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2007 : 2:27:58 PM
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Well, we got it in "One Fell Swoop" !
(A UK Colloquialism)
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
1526 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 07:45:22 AM
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When I was growing up in what was then rural CT, in the 50's, we said yourn, hisn, hern, there was a big difference between a pail and a bucket and nobody said yes - it was always ayuh, [sometimes with by Gawd (or by Gorry), if you wished to be less emphatic, appended.
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 09:47:31 AM
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| We say "one fell swoop" alla time. We also say yourn, hisn and hern. And yunz. and "rahr back" when you close your eyes and play that guitar and belt out a song. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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