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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
504 Posts |
 Posted - 11/03/2007 : 5:47:50 PM
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Macbeth, IV.iii. That Shakespeare, always with the cliches. . . .
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 08:42:40 AM
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| and so another interesting topic goes awry... |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 11:07:18 AM
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I grew up with the Spoonerism version, "one swell foop."
(Still awry...) |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 1:05:46 PM
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I grew up with the Spoonerism version, "one swell foop."
Dang...I was going to respond with that one myself!! (but you beat me to it) However, as long as we are all Campy Hampers, I'm OK.
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Mahope Kākou...
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
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Posted - 11/06/2007 : 05:14:51 AM
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| It's always pleasant when others mean what we know. My Dad called'em "black fish", I called'em "killer whales" and now they're "orcas". Once in a while, in the PNW, one can still hear "skookum" (fast, clever, strong), "chuck" (water, as in "salt-chuck", "chop in the chuck" etc)and a few other "Chinook Jargon" terms. With the influx of out-of-staters, the terms slide into disuse. Language changes, music changes, circumstances change. We keep playing the old tunes and making up new ones. New tunings are tried for different challenges. I guess that innovation is the real traditon. |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2007 : 12:13:12 AM
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The suggested modifications have resulted in this :-
RETRO-ACOUSTIC-STEEL GUITAR :-
A revivalist jazz oriented and inspired acoustic steel guitar style strongly evocative of the "hot" steel guitar playing of the Hawaiian musicians, Sol Hoopii and "King" Bennie Nawahi during the late 1920s and early 1930s and, typically, played on an acoustic, metal bodied single cone or triple cone resonator guitar.
The genre was initially introduced and developed by Bob Armstrong, Bob Brozman and Allan Dodge of the "Cheap Suit Serenaders" in the late 1970s. Leading exponents currently also include Allan Dodge of both the "Cheap Suit Serenaders" and "Dodge's Sundodgers, " J.C. Grimshaw, Martin Wheatley of the "Hula Bluebirds," Cyril LeFebvre, Mike Neer fomerly of the "Moonlighters," Leopold Stepanek and Rainer Woffler of the "Sons of the Desert," Henry Bogdan of the "Midnight Serenaders" and Tomotaka Matsui of the "Slow Ride Pickers" and the "Sweet Hollywaiians."
AND what about Ken Emerson, can anyone find a way to include him in the definition, i.e. Dates recordings groups etc. ?
Any further thoughts because here in the UK Michael Messer and others were ALSO going along parallel lines. |
Edited by - Basil Henriques on 11/08/2007 10:12:44 PM |
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Lawrence
Ha`aha`a
USA
1597 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2007 : 07:32:19 AM
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RETRO-ACOUSTIC-STEEL GUITAR :-
A revivalist jazz oriented and inspired acoustic steel guitar style strongly evocative of the "hot" steel guitar playing of the Hawaiian musicians, Sol Hoopii and "King" Bennie Nawahi during the late 1920s and early 1930s and, typically, played on an acoustic, metal bodied single cone or triple cone resonator guitar.
I would not leave out Tau Moe as a prototype of this style. Bob Brozman has often said that his primary influence has been Tau Moe.
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Mahope Kākou...
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2007 : 4:19:14 PM
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http://www.bobbrozman.com/taumoe.html
Here's a link with some history , part of Bob Brozman's site.
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"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2007 : 10:15:45 PM
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2007 : 08:55:49 AM
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I don't think Tau moe was primarily a swing/jazz RESOPHONIC player, he like Sol Hoopii and others, changed to Electric Hawaiian Guitar as soon as the instrument and its amplification became reliable.
Ummm, maybe so. But it was his acoustic recordings that got Bob's attention, if memory serves.
And didn't just about everybody switch to electric at some point? You sorta had to to be heard. Wouldn't it be like dismissing Django as a Gypsy jazz musician because he used an electric guitar on his later recordings?
"Acoustic" music is really a pretty modern performance style -- it had to wait until decent amplification was developed. |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2007 : 12:37:46 PM
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Wouldn't it be like dismissing Django as a Gypsy jazz musician because he used an electric guitar on his later recordings
Quite a valid comparison, nonetheless I don't think Tau's STYLE was either Swing OR Jazz, initially or later when I met and got to know the whole Moe Ohana.
Django retained his Gypsy Jazz styling even after his transition to electric guitar, because that was his inherent style, as Tau's was plain old Hollywood Hawaiian. (That was the style of show the family performed throughout Europe)
There are members of the Tau Moe Family still performing in Denmark Click hHere
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Edited by - Basil Henriques on 11/10/2007 03:23:34 AM |
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Basil Henriques
Lokahi
United Kingdom
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 03:18:58 AM
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The suggested modifications have NOW resulted in this :-
RETRO-ACOUSTIC-STEEL GUITAR :-
A revivalist jazz-inspired acoustic steel guitar style strongly evocative of the "hot" steel guitar playing of the Hawaiian musicians, Sol Hoopii and "King" Bennie Nawahi during the late 1920s and early 1930s and, typically, played on an acoustic, metal bodied single cone or triple cone resonator guitar.
Subject to confirmation, current ongoing research indicates evidence that the genre was being played in the mid and late 1970s in the United Kingdom by such musicians as Michael Messer and Bob Greenwood, as well as possibly others. Likewise, at the same time, in the United States, Ken Emerson was a leading exponent. In the early 1970s, independently and separately, the genre was researched and developed by Bob Armstrong, Bob Brozman and Allan Dodge of the "Cheap Suit Serenaders." Leading exponents currently also include Allan Dodge of both the "Cheap Suit Serenaders" and "Dodge's Sundodgers, " J.C. Grimshaw, Martin Wheatley of the "Hula Bluebirds," Cyril LeFebvre, Mike Neer fomerly of the "Moonlighters," Leopold Stepanek and Rainer Woffler of the "Sons of the Desert," Henry Bogdanof the "Midnight Serenaders" and Tomotaka Matsui of the "Slow Ride Pickers" and the "Sweet Hollywaiians."
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Edited by - Basil Henriques on 12/09/2007 12:36:41 AM |
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Mark
Ha`aha`a
USA
1628 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 09:10:38 AM
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Hey Basil -
Stacy Phillips just popped into my head. Haven't heard him play in many years, but he did write that book... or, actually, those books:
http://www.stacyphillips.com/dobrobooks.html
But, hey, the def you have come up with certainly does get the story told. So maybe no reason to mess with it.
cheers,
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Pat H
Aloha
United Kingdom
1 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2007 : 4:01:11 PM
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Basil, I think you've gone off the rails a bit, do you think you could get back on track and print the magazine? |
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