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cmdrpiffle
`Olu`olu
USA
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 Posted - 03/03/2003 : 11:33:46 PM
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SlackKey Bill........Aloha Bruddah! Long time no hear. Good, so good to hear you this time again. Thanks for 'keeping the flame' for us beginners here on the mainland.
Raymond, touche'..........I so held my tongue.
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Bill Campbell
Akahai
USA
90 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2003 : 11:59:24 PM
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Aloha again, taropatch.net friends. I'm back home 'from the wars' now. As I started telling you last night, I have spent lots of time listening to and playing along with the CDs of slack key artists who have been able to publish their music. And, as I have already said, it was a great source of frustration to find that I couldn't play along with many of them when I tried to play in the keys and tunings that the liner notes stated. But, after much exasperation, I began to realize that many of the liner notes were not all that accurate, so I began to write the actual key, and tuning where possible, alongside my liner notes.
I have discussed this with many artists, and there are many schools of thought on it. Russell touched on the fact that, years ago, the tunings were considered 'family treasures' and they weren't readily shared. That is the same as it is in other genres of music, though. There are jazz players who play with a handkerchief over their hand so that their licks can't easily be copied. There is nothing at all wrong with that. However, if I tell you that I am playing in Taro Patch tuning, you would assume, and quite correctly, that my guitar was tuned to D-G-D-G-B-D. But, you wouldn't be able to play along with me if, in addition, I had detuned all 6 strings, either up (with a capo) or down (by further slackening). So, when you find out that I am playing in a different key, especially if you are not a trained musician, you would be thrown for a loop and left to wonder 'what you were doing wrong'. RJS comments that G.K., Jr. says that we should call the variants F Taro Patch, Ab Taro Patch, etc. This would go a long way towards helping the slack key student (we are ALL students as long as we stay at it) tremendously.
Now, since the artist himself very seldom, if ever, has much to do with the notes on the CD liner, we certainly can't accuse him/her of deception. So, to be fair, we should call these differences between what the liner notes say and what the artist is actually doing 'typos', 'mistakes', or whatever, in order to give the artist the benefit of the doubt. But, the result is still the same for the beginner or novice, who finds that what he is doing isn't much like what he is hearing.
So, as we are exchanging thoughts on our slack key tastes, and actually exchanging clips of our playing, it would seem that it would follow that a sharing of our findings of occurrences where liner notes differ with what the artist is doing would also be in order. It is in this vein that I am sharing these instances that I have found with you.
Now, I will tell you about Sonny's 'Sonny Solo', if you wish. In addition to 'Moe 'Uhane' where the CD liner notes say that he is playing in this tuning, D-G-D-G-B-D, he is actually playing in this tuning, Eb-Ab-Eb- Ab-C-Eb, which is obtained by placing a capo on the 1st fret of your guitar. They failed to mention that, although in other cuts on the same CD, they did mention that he 'tuned up' on some of the other cuts. Just forgot to mention it on this one. Also, you won't be able to play 'Pua Tuberose' unless you do the same thing. He also plays that one in Ab. He plays 'Charmanita/Malasadas' in the key of F. The liner notes say that it is G Wahine. What they failed to mention was that you also have to drop all 6 strings another 2 frets in order to get F Wahine. Then you can play with him. There are a few other similar instances on the CD. I am sure that you will find them now. One of them is 'Kukuna O Ka La', played in A, but listed in G.
Well, there are many, many more instances of slack key recordings where you can't follow the piece by tuning your guitar to the liner note tunings, and that doesn't make the artist a bad guy, doesn't mean they don't want you to be able to emulate them, just means that you have to try to figure it out for yourself or have someone else who has had the same experience tell you what you have to do. Writing back to the publisher won't help you or them. They can't change the liner notes once the CD has been released.
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Russell Letson
`Olu`olu
USA
504 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 12:24:22 AM
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I've always thought that tuning to the voice was pretty common, and there's a mention of the practice in the notes to Uncle Ray's "Wa'ahila" CD, (for "Wai O Ke Aniani" in F# taropatch), where he says "I don't tune to a standard pitch, I go by my voice."
In fact, all but one the songs on the CD are slacked down one, two, or even three half-steps or raised a half-step. Ray's vocal comfort zone seems to be the keys of F and B-flat. (I'm glad we have something in common musically.)
(Does this topic need a thread of its own?)
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 12:36:27 AM
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OK folks, there's another track on SoundClick, this time from Bill Campbell. Ku`u Kumu Hal, the tab for which can be found here, is from Bill's CD, Kauai On My Mind. Mahalo Bill.
And congratulate Andy...he's #1 on SoundClick's World Music chart today! |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 03/04/2003 12:38:00 AM |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 12:40:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Russell Letson
I've always thought that tuning to the voice was pretty common, and there's a mention of the practice in the notes to Uncle Ray's "Wa'ahila" CD, (for "Wai O Ke Aniani" in F# taropatch), where he says "I don't tune to a standard pitch, I go by my voice."
In fact, all but one the songs on the CD are slacked down one, two, or even three half-steps or raised a half-step. Ray's vocal comfort zone seems to be the keys of F and B-flat. (I'm glad we have something in common musically.)
(Does this topic need a thread of its own?)
This topic does need a thread of its own. Mainly because it seems to be limiting any discussion about how well the recorded performances were on the cd -- and they were very good performances in my opinion, and something you should all be proud of.
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 02:12:30 AM
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Hey Peter, I was wondering when you were going to weigh in...are we as much of a danger to Slack Key as you were concerned we might be?!
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Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 02:56:58 AM
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Originally posted by cpatch
Hey Peter, I was wondering when you were going to weigh in...are we as much of a danger to Slack Key as you were concerned we might be?!
Craig,
I didn't ever say you were a danger.
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Julie H
Ha`aha`a
USA
1206 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 03:47:44 AM
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So maybe I'm not the only one who is confused. I had most of my lessons (at Keola's and at George's workshops) in Taropatch tuning. So during my last class with George, when he told us to change our tuning, but still called it Taropatch, it was strange. (Remember, I am a perpetual beginner) So it turns out that we went from G taropatch to F Taropatch. But still the fingering for the chords was the same. Or was it? Hmm. Luckily I play some piano and am familiar with chords, or I would have been totally stumped! Are other beginners having similar problems? Or am I the only beginner? 
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 11:30:31 AM
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I'm going to echo Peter's suggestion that we move this to its own topic so we can let this one focus on people's online songs. I've started a new topic for it and copied Bill's last post.
BTW Peter, I was just kidding about the danger part...it was a reference to something you had said back in your first post. |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 03/04/2003 3:42:46 PM |
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marzullo
`Olu`olu
USA
923 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 3:41:44 PM
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hi kevin!!quote:
Keith You brought back some memories, When you and Sue were here, at Waihee Church. All I needed now, Was the cookies.(Clean! and Sweet!)
well, my mouth is still puckered from those lilikoi, but they sure were good...
thank you for all the positive comments for us over here, it means a lot.
it's looking more likely that we'll be over on maui around april 11-14, i'm hoping to see you, bill, and don and maybe meet some of the other waihe'e folks. sue has already volunteered to make cookies. 
aloha to all you folks,
keith
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 3:48:30 PM
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There are now ten songs up at SoundClick...the latest addition is Rossosaurus' arrangement of Salomila.
As of the end of yesterday, we had received 688 page views (in four days), 798 song plays, and 151 song downloads. Not bad! (Before you ask, only the band administrator has access to the statistics, unfortunately.) |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 3:25:52 PM
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The eleventh addition to SoundClick is John Nelson's version of Keola Beamer's "Na Ka Po" ("For the Night"), from Keola's intermediate online lessons at www.kbeamer.com. It has been uploaded with Keola's permission.
Also, I want to give everyone a chance to work their way up the charts so I will be rotating the song that appears on the home page in order of when your song was posted, since hits to the home page count as a hit for the song. Currently Dusty's song is in rotation.
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Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
Edited by - cpatch on 03/06/2003 6:07:33 PM |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 6:57:44 PM
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OK, another hint for the "just who is that in Cmdr. Piffle's picture" contest...South America. You can look back through this thread for other clues. Remember, first one to post the correct answer to this thread wins a free set of John Pearse Slack Key strings. You can find the photo in question at SoundClick.
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Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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cpatch
Ahonui
USA
2187 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2003 : 6:13:23 PM
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[This is turning into my own private thread!]
FWIW, at some point today we passed the 1,000 mark for song plays and the 500 mark for page hits at SoundClick! Hopefully this is not only an indication that our members are very interested in what we sound like, but also that we are drawing interesting from other SoundClick visitors. This seems to be reflected by our membership...in the past week 10 new members have joined, compared to an average of 20 new members a month for the past six months or so. Welcome to all of you! |
Craig
My goal is to be able to play as well as people think I can. |
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Pauline Leland
`Olu`olu
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2003 : 7:12:52 PM
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Craig and all you performers,
Thanks again for putting up the site on SoundClick and for letting your music be there. I have really enjoyed listening to you all. It may be spreading the word, too. Fran's getting responses to his post on the AG forum, http://www.acousticguitar.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002043.html
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