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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
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 Posted - 11/02/2008 : 03:53:54 AM
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Spring Forward -- Fall Back. Go make sure all your clocks are set properly.
And then kick back and listen to some good music.
You Tube – week of Nov. 2, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7InU1lqQJFU - One of the most beautiful versions of Sanoe that I have ever heard. It is so wonderfully performed by sumo-tori Konishiki. You are going to weep when you hear this one. I thought Jesse Tinsley or Bobby Moderow or Kalae Miles had the best versions, but now ahdunno. And what is the mandolin/lut looking instrument that is being played? It has 6 strings and a very wide neck and sounds so lovely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgzJGQ_oFg – Ed Gerhard – The Water is Wide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dy0yn7Vg_4 – Herb Ohta, Jr. and unknown guitarist – Hi`ilawe oh so nice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TfD3752P1g – Nisizawa - I do not know what song, but the tune sounds sort of familiar. Like maybe Woody Guthrie’s Deportee.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ho%60okani+pakele+live&search_type=&aq=f – Ho`okani on Pakele Live. Man, oh man, the hula for Pauoa ka Liko Ka Lehua – wow!!! And wait until you hear E Nei, Lena Machado’s beautiful love song to her husband.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kDFGqhbwwY – Makana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=386ZmOOS_Dg – Makana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9ccgfSUHI – Makana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0smWmMhzfuA – Jesse Tinsley “Sweet Memory”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeuNA021PBU – Jesse doing “Ho`okipa Paka”
Jesse, brah, where is the CD? How am I going to be able to buy your CD in time for putting it in Paul’s stocking for Christmas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6fiO8L_I5c – Ka Uluwehi o ke Kai – not bad music, if you can overlook the language boo-boos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sLa6-yEibg – Two young men playing “ Ka Hinano o Puna”, singing and slack key and `ukulele. Pretty good for young ones!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C1k5MpmXDA – The Abrigo `Ohana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HwYYhhmJo – more Abrigo `Ohana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhm3Hw-H9E – little Quinn Abrigo playing his pakini bass with John Cruz and Kawika Kahiapo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk50ffUNdHk – Sweet Memory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAXRUoU2yrA – Amazing Grace
These two are by our friend, Ukulele911. Wow! Can he play or what? And can you feel the aloha? The mana in his music?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGQdzd-uvLw – Andy Cummings’ “Waikiki” – beautifully sung and danced to in Yokohama, Japan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37fQs96XxWk – Weldon Kekauoha – “Makee Ailana” with Chino Montero & Alika Boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9OBuxR15aM – Hula danced to “My Tropical Baby”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOVu6A5FuU – Mike Keale & Bill Tapia – Morning Dew, with a bit of hula by Mihana Souza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOVu6A5FuU – Just a good, old fashion backyard jam with plenty empty beer bottles in attendance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyJLz78_kKQ – more backyahd jamz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKoI7ACpgr8 – more jamz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWvXGhzN4JE – My Yellow Ginger Lei by the Mai Tai Serenaders
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Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2008 : 01:40:56 AM
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| As for Sanoe, his leo is nani, but I wouldn't breathe in the middle of words. But other than that, beautiful! |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
1533 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2008 : 06:23:56 AM
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You would if you weighed 600 pounds. :)
Jesse |
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alika207
Ha`aha`a
USA
1260 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2008 : 3:47:54 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by hapakid
You would if you weighed 600 pounds. :)
Jesse
Ah, I can't imagine! |
He kehau ho'oma'ema'e ke aloha.
'Alika / Polinahe |
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hawaiianmusiclover06
`Olu`olu
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2008 : 6:57:05 PM
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I just watched the video of Hi'ilawe featuring Herb Ohta, Jr. and I must tell you it was beautiful and nice... 'ukulele and guitar goes well together.
Alana :) |
Aloha Kakou, maluhia a me aloha mau loa (Hello everyone, peace and love forever) |
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Diana
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2008 : 6:03:21 PM
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Aloha,
Aren't Taropatch and Youtube great? I've been searching the sites for help in moving from 'ukulele to guitar, and just found this thread, and was wondering, what language boo boos on o ke Kai? These guys sound pretty much like we sang it in 'uke group and with my father in law from the Big Island. I am using one of the Youtube videos to learn the guitar part for this song, and wanted to use this video to help get lyrics in synch with the guitar, but I don't want to sing it wrong.
Me ke aloha,
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 02:22:47 AM
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When the sing the first verse, he says"....ka moa (Pause) na nu ila, like he is talking about chicken instead of the ocean (moana). Maybe chicken of the sea.
For learning how to sing, there are many better versions with the language. May I suggest going to Auntie Maria's web site, www.mele.com and in the serach box type in the name of the song and search by title. Then you can get little snippets of all the recordings that mele.como has of that song. (There are plenty, let me tell you!). Then you can compare what they say with what this video said. Then find a recording you like and buy it and listen over and over. Can put a nice Hawaiian CD on your wish list to Santa. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
Wanda |
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Roger
Aloha
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2008 : 12:53:04 PM
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Diana,
I think you are correct. This is a favorite song of mine, and a tricky one too as there seem to be more syllables than musical beats, or something like that, and I've sure heard some variety in the way that vocalists try to put those sounds in there. Mid-word pauses, and a lot of other liberties, are done in many songs, English and Hawaiian. Yeah, these guys do a little vocal styling, but I think that the way they move the lyrics is pretty nice--less choppy or rushed than many other versions. I'm using this video also since the guitarist lets us see a clear view of the hand positions and how they shift with the lyrics. I think your 'uke friends and ohana were OK. And if you are using takfam1's video on You Tube for the guitar parts, have you tried alternating between his style and the style in this video? Subtle difference and very pleasing.
Aloha
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 1:32:34 PM
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| The version of Ka uluwehi o ke kai is actually convoluted and renders the language meaningless. the changes tend to create words that do not exist. Liberties like this do not enhance the song at all. In fact this kind of rendition tends to detract from the original poetry inherent in the song in the first place and disrespects the composer who was an Hawaiian speaker. I'm not trying to act like a know it all but as a native Hawaiian who also speaks the language I must insist on keeping with the correctness in pronunciation and phrasing of the mother tongue. Thanks Wanda for making the attempt. Find the origina version sung by the composer and you will see the difference immediately. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
1533 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 8:01:27 PM
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Because this is one of the most recorded and performed songs and hula, it isn't hard to find another version somewhere to learn the parsing of the words. As has been discussed here on TP.net in the past, Hawaiian was an oral language before it was written, so there was no way to acknowledge the space between words in speech, so the proper pronunciation of each single word and phrase is very important. Subsequently, the speaker or singer should know the various parts of a compound words and how particles and associated words are typically pronounced together.
Roger is correct that this song occasionally packs a few extra syllables into a line, and I'm as guilty as anyone else of fudging what the composer intended. But we have to try and be faithful to the source.
I enjoyed this video, though, as their playing was nice and their hearts were in it.
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 06:49:22 AM
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I have heard differences in pronunciation of words in several Hawaiian mele, and having very little command of the language, I don't always know which version , if any, is gramaticaly correct. All those 'D's in english don't speak well for my learning Hawaiian quickly. I've seen it written somewhere that Gabby is not a good model for pronunciation ow Hawaiian. And at the time he went to school, many Hawaiians were being denied the schooling in Hawaiian that is somewhat more common today. Who then do I listen to to pronounce what I'm trying to sing?
Paul |
"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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hapakid
Luna Ho`omalu
USA
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 07:35:50 AM
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That's a good question, Paul. Although Gabby was an icon of the Hawaiian renaissance, he occasionally fumbled lyrics. He was not a scholar of the language. For myslef, I try to listen to multiple Hawaiian recordings, if I can, before singing a song on Youtube. Pronunciation, comprehension, expression and parsing are all part of reproducing a Hawaiian song.
Many of us want to participate in the Hawaiian culture and experience, but the culture is not ours to play around with and I have to remember that nobody owes me an invitation or explanation when I run out of answers.
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JimC
Lokahi
USA
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 08:04:26 AM
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Bill (the fellow playing slack key in the video) is actually a long time member of taropatch, since 2003. Bill came to this site for his love of Slack key and Hawaiian music in general. He did not play music at all until he found this site. What you are seeing is the result of someone who has used the tools availble here on TP to play hawaiin music not just talk about it and I can tell you for sure as Jesse noticed his heart is in it. The more he plays the better he is getting
Good for you Bill. Keep up the hard work |
Jim
http://www.ohanahulasupply.com
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PoiDog
Lokahi
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Posted - 11/23/2008 : 08:07:53 AM
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Originally posted by wcerto
When the sing the first verse, he says"....ka moa (Pause) na nu ila, like he is talking about chicken instead of the ocean (moana). Maybe chicken of the sea.
For learning how to sing, there are many better versions with the language. May I suggest going to Auntie Maria's web site, www.mele.com and in the serach box type in the name of the song and search by title. Then you can get little snippets of all the recordings that mele.como has of that song. (There are plenty, let me tell you!). Then you can compare what they say with what this video said. Then find a recording you like and buy it and listen over and over. Can put a nice Hawaiian CD on your wish list to Santa.
This is why `olelo is hard to translate into english. When you think of the title of the song, Ka Uluwehi o Ke Kai, you get a better understanding of the use of the word moana. The song references varieties of seaweed, limu lipoa,limu kohu, limu pa he`e he`e (pahe`e) and lipalu.
The singer makes the effort to perpetuate the music. He just needs some help with pronunciation and context. The mele is not the mere order of words from beginning to end. Huapala.org also provides a translation. (Kaona optional... ) |
Aloha,
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wcerto
Ahonui
USA
5052 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 3:07:54 PM
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I originally posted the video because I like the guitar playing, as well as the deep, deep voice harmonizing. I merely pointed out that there were language problems. I am not saying that I could do better. I couldn't. Never in a zillion years. I was merely trying to make a premptive strike on anyone who would criticize posting the link because the `olelo was not perfect.
I believe in not singing Hawaiian unless the language is correct and pono. That is why I ask so many language questions. Additionally, that is why I frequently consult huapala.org and also get help from great experts such as Keola Donahey and Al Tringali and Peter Medeiros and Dennis Kamakahi, etc., etc., etc. And that is why we have this forum so we can get the assistance we need from those who do have the expertise and willingess to share their mana`o.
Just last night Paul and I were trying to sing `Opae E, a relatively simple mele. When it came to the last verse, though, we both stumbled terribly, even after have listened to it countless times. It is hard for our untrained tongues to get the right phrasing in order to make the words make sense. Just more stuff to work on, but we'll get 'em some day.
Just like any other playing of music, one always strives to play the instrumental part corrects..the G note in the right place, the A in the right place, etc. in order to play the right melody, Well, the language part of Hawaiian music must be correct, as well. Otherwise it is not the song you think it is.
If we are going to cockaroach the music and culture, the least we can do is accord the beautiful language the respect it so rightfully deserves. To me, that is more important, even, than the musical part. To me, the mana of a mele/himeni comes from the `olelo. That's why the words were written in a specific manner by the haku mele. |
Me ke aloha
Malama pono,
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noeau
Ha`aha`a
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 10:49:38 PM
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| Rendezvous you may try kahauanau Lake Trio and later recordings of his. Also Cazimeros from the late 90's on. Jerry Santos with Haunani Apoliona is also a good choice. Keola Beamer also. Ka'uluwehi Guererro (excuse the spelling of the last name) comes to mind as well. There are many choices and when in doubt always ask. Let's not ignore Kekuhi Kanaka'ole and her mom who wrote Ka 'Uluwehi o ke Kai. |
No'eau, eia au he mea pa'ani wale nō. |
Edited by - noeau on 11/29/2008 10:31:13 AM |
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