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guitarded
Ha`aha`a
USA
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 Posted - 02/11/2009 : 3:36:49 PM
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Originally posted by P.M. JR.
This discussion is so awkward lol
So is adolescence.  |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 3:46:10 PM
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| Yeah, but this is what old guys do at about this time every year. It's something to look forward to I think. |
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rendesvous1840
Ha`aha`a
USA
1055 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 3:50:02 PM
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Spring-when a young man's heart turns to love. Nemine where us old futs turn our hearts.
Paul |
"A master banjo player isn't the person who can pick the most notes.It's the person who can touch the most hearts." Patrick Costello |
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Reid
Ha`aha`a
Andorra
1526 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 4:02:17 PM
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I don't post a lot here anymore, and, I suppose a lot of people are just as happy that I don't.
But, my 17 cents (inflation): The problem I have with all this is what Darin called a "product/service" and the notion of an "award" which implies "the best" of the year, or whatever time period.
What in God's name has slack key, or any Hawaiian music form got to do with "product"? It ain't a "product" unless some guy or guys try to make it into something like a "Collateralized Debt Obligation". Make a buck off art and a culture? Bummer.
Then "award". Good grief! These awards are marketing mechanisms. I know in my heart and brain and ears who should get awards for Hawaiian music, and I don't need any bloody collection of money suckers to tell me. And, for me, and a lot of others, it varies by the song or piece.
This instant, Sarah is playing and singing `Awaiaulu (Claudia and Tommy inspired her to do it): my award for tonight! No product. No money. Just joy.
Got a problem with that?
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thumbstruck
Ahonui
USA
2169 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 4:02:17 PM
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| Slipry1 told me that there is a type of music called "newage" as opposed to "new age". Only get 2 kine music, good an' bad. |
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P.M. JR.
Akahai
USA
50 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 4:17:22 PM
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lol adolescence is awkward  |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 4:29:12 PM
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| Being the good lawyer that he is, perhaps we should create a new topic that addresses Darins questions since he has reframed the original question within a larger cultural context, beyond is it or is it not slack key. Go chancem Darin. Howzit, Reid I miss you guys. Shaka brah! |
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Peter Medeiros
`Olu`olu
546 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 4:32:23 PM
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Originally posted by P.M. JR.
lol adolescence is awkward
Don't worry junior boy, life get's better. That is, unless you really screw up. |
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Darin
Lokahi
USA
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hikabe
Lokahi
USA
358 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 5:05:29 PM
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| I can't believe Plant and Krause won with that song!!! |
Stay Tuned... |
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RJS
Ha`aha`a
1635 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 6:28:06 PM
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I don't think anyone in the business, except the winners, ever believed that the Grammy's indicated the "best" of anything. So much of it has to do with what you have been exposed to. Can't vote for that which you don't know.) The Recording Academy is a trade organization and the primary function of the Grammy's is, at least now, marketing. (Perhaps it was different years ago, but it is marketing now.) Anyway ....
I was a bit upset by some of the comments about Daniel. (Please note that Daniel and I are not friends. I took some workshops from him, and I am friends with some artists who recorded for him.) Daniel is a sincere musician, really very talented, who is trying to make a living selling his, and others', music. He is not part of the "island boy mold." That doesn't mean he doesn't have a real love for Hawaiian music. He's a bit of a hustler. As I wrote in another topic, if more of the "genuine" slack key masters did more hustling, a lot more people would know what real slack ket is about and Daniel's calling his style slack key wouldn't matter at all. He is also very generous with his time and knowledge. Would I prefer him to call his stuff "slack key influenced?" Definitely. But I know of at least 4 people who seriously got into slack key because of first hearing Daniel's music. There are probably a lot more. |
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Retro
Ahonui
USA
2368 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 6:52:48 PM
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I'm not sure that I see Daniel marketing his own music as "slack key" quite so much. The CDs that won the Grammys were live recordings from a series that calls itself "Masters of Hawaiian Slack Key." If you feel some of those artists shouldn't be included in such a gig, take it up with George Kahumoku, Jr., not Daniel Ho. Uncle George is in charge of booking those artists in that show; Daniel just assembles the recordings and puts 'em in a good package.
Duke, brah - I think you might have missed what I was getting at with the list of names. If you know that those folks don't like Daniel being involved with what they do musically, if they say as much about him, then why do they allow their material to be sold on his label? Are they hypocritical for doing so? |
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Momi
Lokahi
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 8:59:54 PM
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| BTW, I did not mean to imply that PMJ or anyone else on this thread was not being pono. I just saw the potential for it to happen. |
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guitarded
Ha`aha`a
USA
1799 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2009 : 10:25:49 PM
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Originally posted by Peter Medeiros
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Originally posted by P.M. JR.
lol adolescence is awkward
Don't worry junior boy, life get's better. That is, unless you really screw up.
P.M. Jr., screwing up once in a while is okay too. It's a human condition. Main thing you keep um small so people can overlook and forgive your trespasses. Take university professors, for instance. They screw up too. There should be no apostrophe in the word get's.  |
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Allen M Cary
Lokahi
USA
158 Posts |
Posted - 02/12/2009 : 10:56:40 AM
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One of the comments in response to the Honolulu Advertiser piece on Tia Carrera accused Lee Cataluna of "more local than thou" attitude. Sometimes I feel that here. I started playing slack key back when the only person willing to share it was Keola Beamer, who believed that the art form would die if it continued to maintain the secrecy that pervaded it in the "local" community. Then some others added their instructions and the form became open to us haoles. Like Wanda said we try to play with aloha. Sometimes we succeed. Please don't make us feel unwelcome because we are not "local" enough. I think it is a tribute to the Hawaiian culture that we have this discussion of what is Slack Key? That means it has spread enough to have variants. It hasn't died; it hasn't stayed buried in remote corners of the islands, safe guarded by stern kupunas, kapu to haoles and malahinis. Let's celebrate it, and if that means one of its variants gets a Grammy, say Yahoo and mahalo and move on.
With Aloha
Allen |
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